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Old Jan 5, 2017, 4:03 am
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This thread is a continuation of the 2016 Serve master thread located at Amex Serve (2016) [Many shutdowns starting Jan 8, 2016]


5/21/2019 another round of Serve and Bluebird shutdowns.

On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.

There are three version of Serve cards, Blue, Green and Grey. The fees and specifics are listed here:
https://www.serve.com/help/?intlink=us-serve-marketing-home-customer2-incomm2018-freezecardlearnmore&anchor=lost-or-stolen-1

The best Serve version for MS purpose is the "Green" version. It can be loaded at CVS, Rite Aid, DG (cash only) and Walmart, FD stores (cash and debit). There is no loading fee, but there is a $6.95 monthly fee that can't be waived. You could avoid the monthly fee by keeping $0 balance prior to month end statement closing. But this may cause account shut-down. As of end of 2020, there have been changes at the loading side (FD, WM). Not all GCs are accepted. Trial and report back to forum.


As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Appears to no longer be working with any brand of VCG.

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500 per card per day; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 total each calendar month all Serve cards combined
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
    • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
      • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
        • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
          • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month
You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
    • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
      • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
        • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
          • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
            • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.
Amex stopped taking applications for OneVip at the end of 2017. Cards acquired before then still work.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
    • Alitalia AmEx
      • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
        • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
          • Bloomingdale's AmEx
            • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
              • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                  • Dillard's AmEx
                    • FNBO AmEx
                      • FNBO Graphite AmEx
                        • FNBO Platinum AmEx
                          • Macy's AmEx
                            • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
                              • SavingStar AmEx
                                • Travelocity AmEx
                                  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
                                    • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
                                      • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx

Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
    • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
      • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
        • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
          • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
            • Discover
              • Wells Fargo Propel (American Express)
Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!

Posts as a cash advance: The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
    • Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
      • at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
        • get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
          • after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
            • I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
              • CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
                • at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
                  • after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
                    • CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
    • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
      • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
        • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
    • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
      • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement

For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7



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Old Jan 11, 2019, 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by robbert
I had a Serve VIP for several years now, load about $1.5k/month, use about $300 for purchases and take the rest out through MoneyPass ATM. Now I'm getting a "transaction not allowed" error on two ATMs (different banks), but I still have access to my account and the card still works for purchases. So it does not look like I'm shut down (yet), but does anyone have an idea of what might be going on?
BB and S do not limit your access to spend on the card (in general) after a shut down. They stop your ability to load the card. So to see if you have been beheaded, simply try to load your S card in the usual (or unusual if you so choose ) way, and if you can't, then you have been beheaded. However, to confirm that the sentence has been carried through, try loading on-line.

If you are still able to load, then maybe the glitch was in the ATM network. Wait a day or two and see if your card's ATM access has reincarnated.

Whatever, please let us know the outcome of your investigation since it does help us track the rats.
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Old Jan 11, 2019, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by cajunguy
Hiya - I'm curious about this.....

I played with Serve and Red Birds way back when they had first been released. Yes, they were all closed back then too. So I really thought that was the end of that. Until I see people here talking about using them again.

The Wiki seems to cover what was but not what's going on or I'm just not seeing clearly what it is.

So can we apply for a new Serve card since Amex sold them off?
It never hurts to try and apply on-line. However, I wish that Amex would us know after inputting a SSN that we don't qualify, rather than unfortunately making us go through the whole application process before being declined.
However, on-line is the fastest way to find out if you can get the card, or if you are just another headless torso.

While I have read of a few instances where Amex reincarnated the Headless Horseman, that has in general been the rare exception rather than the rule.
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Old Jan 11, 2019, 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by radonc1
It never hurts to try and apply on-line. However, I wish that Amex would us know after inputting a SSN that we don't qualify, rather than unfortunately making us go through the whole application process before being declined.
However, on-line is the fastest way to find out if you can get the card, or if you are just another headless torso.

While I have read of a few instances where Amex reincarnated the Headless Horseman, that has in general been the rare exception rather than the rule.
Ya, I suppose I could just apply and see what happens. The thing is I don't live that close to WMs, they're rare in central Los Angeles so getting out to them is a weekend affair. Not completely a PITA but I have to plan things around that drive.

During those Red Bird days and Target it was fun visiting the many locations available. It was a sad day when my 4 cards were shut down.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by radonc1
BB and S do not limit your access to spend on the card (in general) after a shut down. They stop your ability to load the card. So to see if you have been beheaded, simply try to load your S card in the usual (or unusual if you so choose ) way, and if you can't, then you have been beheaded. However, to confirm that the sentence has been carried through, try loading on-line.

If you are still able to load, then maybe the glitch was in the ATM network. Wait a day or two and see if your card's ATM access has reincarnated.

Whatever, please let us know the outcome of your investigation since it does help us track the rats.
Thanks for the reply. Looks like it was false alarm, both ATM and on-line loads work again so hopefully I can keep this going for another while. It's small potatoes but relatively little work.
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Old Jan 15, 2019, 8:37 pm
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Any recent reports on whether reloading counts as spend for a regular Amex Platinum?
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Old Jan 15, 2019, 10:42 pm
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Hi, I've read several pages, but have a few questions. I'm feeling ready to jump into using Serve. I've had this account for quite some time, but I've never used it. My card is blue with a silver border. Does that mean it will cost me a fee to reload it a DG? Is that my only option for loading this account? I don't have a rewards earning debit card and I don't have an Amex not issued by Amex so neither of those routes seem worth taking at the moment. I've read a lot lately and I want to make sure I'm keeping all of it straight. Thanks!
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Old Jan 16, 2019, 6:23 am
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Originally Posted by sedubby
Any recent reports on whether reloading counts as spend for a regular Amex Platinum?
No benefits at all to load with any AmEx CCs issued by AmEx.
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Old Jan 16, 2019, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by RedSun
No benefits at all to load with any AmEx CCs issued by AmEx.
I would like to qualify this statement.

At the present time, if an award is paid by Amex, you will not garner any benefit by purchasing GCs using your Amex card since they can track this and disqualify it. OTOH, if you are qualifying for an award given by the merchant (for example, Hilton Honors awards) then your purchases will qualify. So using your Amex Hilton card will get you Hilton points and status.

I will qualify this by noting that not all merchants participate. I have read that DL will not give out Skypesos for GC purchases using their Amex card (but I am not certain of this "fact"). So as with all things MS, YMMV
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Old Jan 16, 2019, 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by radonc1
I would like to qualify this statement.

At the present time, if an award is paid by Amex, you will not garner any benefit by purchasing GCs using your Amex card since they can track this and disqualify it. OTOH, if you are qualifying for an award given by the merchant (for example, Hilton Honors awards) then your purchases will qualify. So using your Amex Hilton card will get you Hilton points and status.

I will qualify this by noting that not all merchants participate. I have read that DL will not give out Skypesos for GC purchases using their Amex card (but I am not certain of this "fact"). So as with all things MS, YMMV
You totally mis-understood the question here.

The person was asking:
Any recent reports on whether reloading counts as spend for a regular Amex Platinum?

There is no merchant here. You can load Serve with AmEx Hilton CC. But you won't receive any Hilton points. Nor this qualify for any welcome bonus spending. So there is no point of loading with any CCs issued by AmEx.

But some banks issue AmEx cards. They are in the Wiki above. You do receive some reward points by loading the Serve with them.
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Old Jan 16, 2019, 4:03 pm
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if i get 2 serves and 1 bb does that mean i can load $20k ($10K split on 2 serves) and $10k on bb per month?
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Old Jan 17, 2019, 7:31 pm
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Applied for two new Green Serves on December, 26. Still waiting... Should I ask for the replacement while there is no fee or wait? Many moons ago the shipping was very fast.
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Old Jan 18, 2019, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by RedSun
You totally mis-understood the question here.

The person was asking:
Any recent reports on whether reloading counts as spend for a regular Amex Platinum?

There is no merchant here. You can load Serve with AmEx Hilton CC. But you won't receive any Hilton points. Nor this qualify for any welcome bonus spending. So there is no point of loading with any CCs issued by AmEx.

But some banks issue AmEx cards. They are in the Wiki above. You do receive some reward points by loading the Serve with them.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
However, doesn't an action such as loading S or BB with a credit card count as a cash advance (with all the subsequent fees and interest charges)?
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Old Jan 18, 2019, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by radonc1
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
However, doesn't an action such as loading S or BB with a credit card count as a cash advance (with all the subsequent fees and interest charges)?
No. Read Wiki.
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Old Jan 20, 2019, 12:14 am
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Hello,
Just starting up on this bandwagon. I have read the Wiki and skimmed through all the comments as best as I can. The target is to use it for MS, but nothing crazy - maybe $500-$1k/month to meet minimums in combination with organic spends.
Quick questions
1) Green Serve since it allows loading VGCs? Avoid fees by keeping balance 0 at statement close?
2) Buy VGCs on the card that needs the spend and load to serve at WM, FD, GD. I know Staples had a no fee VGC week but thats too late for me. Any other way to avoid VGC fee?
3) Best practices for taking money out of serve? Bill pay and ATMs? or Bank withdrawal?

Thanks
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Old Jan 20, 2019, 12:20 am
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Originally Posted by rebelinside
Hello,
Just starting up on this bandwagon. I have read the Wiki and skimmed through all the comments as best as I can. The target is to use it for MS, but nothing crazy - maybe $500-$1k/month to meet minimums in combination with organic spends.
Quick questions
1) Green Serve since it allows loading VGCs? Avoid fees by keeping balance 0 at statement close?
2) Buy VGCs on the card that needs the spend and load to serve at WM, FD, GD. I know Staples had a no fee VGC week but thats too late for me. Any other way to avoid VGC fee?
3) Best practices for taking money out of serve? Bill pay and ATMs? or Bank withdrawal?
You can get away with it to have a $0 before statement closing several times. But it is very bad taste and AmEx has all reasons to shut you down. If you get benefits from it, better pay it up. Can you make up the $4.95 fee?
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