Amex Serve master thread (2017 onwards)

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This thread is a continuation of the 2016 Serve master thread located at Amex Serve (2016) [Many shutdowns starting Jan 8, 2016]


10/25/17 another round of Serve and Bluebird shutdowns. Prior to this round, the most recent shutdowns were in January 2017.

On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.

As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Works with Vanilla VGC and Metabank VGC. Able to load $1,500 per card per day. Vanilla MC may work, not tested.

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500 per card per day; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 total each calendar month all Serve cards combined
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
    • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
      • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
        • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
          • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month
You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
    • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
      • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
        • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
          • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
            • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month


You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.
Amex stopped taking applications for OneVip at the end of 2017. Cards acquired before then still work.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
    • Alitalia AmEx
      • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
        • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
          • Bloomingdale's AmEx
            • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
              • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                  • Dillard's AmEx
                    • FNBO AmEx
                      • FNBO Graphite AmEx
                        • FNBO Platinum AmEx
                          • Macy's AmEx
                            • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
                              • SavingStar AmEx
                                • Travelocity AmEx
                                  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
                                    • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
                                      • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx


Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
    • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
      • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
        • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
          • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
            • Discover
              • Wells Fargo Propel (American Express)
Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!


Posts as a cash advance: The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
    • Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
      • at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
        • get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
          • after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
            • I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
              • CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
                • at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
                  • after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
                    • CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.


Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
    • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
      • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
        • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.


Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
    • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
      • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement


For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7
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Old Oct 9, 17, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by Spiral1 View Post
I used to open new accounts the day after closing one with no issue. I haven't used serve for a few months and tried to open another onevip yesterday but got that message. Not blacklisted though since I can still load the cards I already have so not sure what that message is about.
I opened a OneVIP/Blue (woops)/Bluebird the same day with no issues and haven't been able to open anything since. Its been 2 weeks, I cant even register the Green card I bought with $50 on it.

Going to wait for about a month and try again and see what happens.
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Old Oct 9, 17, 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiral1 View Post
I used to open new accounts the day after closing one with no issue. I haven't used serve for a few months and tried to open another onevip yesterday but got that message. Not blacklisted though since I can still load the cards I already have so not sure what that message is about.
maybe RATs finally got to you.
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Old Oct 10, 17, 10:33 am
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I've only got one open right now, and I tried to get a new OneVIP and it failed.

Unfortunately we cannot approve you for an American Express Serve® Account right now. Thank you for your interest in American Express Serve.

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Old Oct 11, 17, 10:23 am
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I've only got one open right now, and I tried to get a new OneVIP and it failed.

Unfortunately we cannot approve you for an American Express Serve® Account right now. Thank you for your interest in American Express Serve.

how may prepaid amex cards have you closed in the last few months? it's possible they are still showing current in their system, at least this was the case a while back when people jumped from redbird to serve.
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Old Oct 11, 17, 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by NoonRadar View Post
how may prepaid amex cards have you closed in the last few months? it's possible they are still showing current in their system, at least this was the case a while back when people jumped from redbird to serve.
I hadn't closed any this month. I've really not been pushing it too far, only on my second serve one VIP and a regular serve (opened in error)
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Old Oct 12, 17, 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by notalent View Post
I hadn't closed any this month. I've really not been pushing it too far, only on my second serve one VIP and a regular serve (opened in error)
Same here; just tried to open a new Serve One VIP account and got the same message, tried for SO, the same thing. We both loaded our cards 2 days ago and closed a serve card on 09/14. We never received a shutdown email.
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Old Oct 12, 17, 3:23 pm
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Are there any DPs of Serve loads working for anyone?

I've seen DP's of people applying for Serve and being accepted over the last 3 days. I've only seen reports of people not able to load.
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Old Oct 13, 17, 2:16 pm
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Originally Posted by jnjustice94 View Post
I know loading the Serve with your Amex CC does not earn points on the transactions or anything but does it count towards the AU bonus?
Also, does the spends count towards the spend limits to get status .. for eg.. spend 40k on Amex Hilton Surpass to get Hilton Diamond, will transfers made from Amex CC to Amex Serve count towards this 40k spending ?
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Old Oct 14, 17, 10:39 pm
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Transfer from Amex CC

Hello,
Don't find this mentioned anywhere, so assume if re-load is done by Amex cc, is it treated like a cash advance or normal purchase ?
Basically my question is whether Amex will levy any charge / fee if I use their CC to re-load serve ?
Possibly not, but just want to confirm since in the serve site it says "cash advance fees for credit card loads may apply, please check with card issuer"

Thanks
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Old Oct 15, 17, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by abhilife2001 View Post
Hello,
Don't find this mentioned anywhere, so assume if re-load is done by Amex cc, is it treated like a cash advance or normal purchase ?
Basically my question is whether Amex will levy any charge / fee if I use their CC to re-load serve ?
Possibly not, but just want to confirm since in the serve site it says "cash advance fees for credit card loads may apply, please check with card issuer"

Thanks
Loading $10 will answer all your questions
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Old Oct 16, 17, 8:27 am
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Has anyone been able to close & reopen multiple cards recently? Still not letting me open any new ones.
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Old Oct 16, 17, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiral1 View Post
Has anyone been able to close & reopen multiple cards recently? Still not letting me open any new ones.
I have a ServeOne VIP and a Bluebird account open now. I had been opening and closing them every 2 months or so in rotation with a Serve Green account. Tried to open a new Serve Green account last week as part of my rotation, but I got the same message several you have mentioned about not being able to open up a new account. Don't think I will close my ServeOne VIP and Bluebird accounts now until I'm sure that they will let me open new ones. AmEx may have caught on to the practice of opening, closing and reopening new Serve and Bluebird accounts under the same SSN.
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Old Oct 16, 17, 7:31 pm
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I opened bluebirds #4/5 both this last week without issue. I currently have 1 serve one vip and 3 other BB
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Old Oct 17, 17, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by jnjustice94 View Post
I opened bluebirds #4/5 both this last week without issue. I currently have 1 serve one vip and 3 other BB
Have you been opening and closing BB and Serve accounts? If so, how often?
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Old Oct 17, 17, 12:14 pm
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Tried to reapply for a bluebird card after closing in 9/19/17 and was not successful. I have 1 green Serve and 1 VIP serve active.
Random note: I usually load $500 a time and ask them to do it twice (total $1000/day) since I rather not risk an issues but this lady at wally gave me the stinky eye and ask for the name of the cards on both my serve and "debit card" on the second 500 load. Of course I show them my real debit bank card and load with the VGC, but its annoying cuz I'm dressed professional cuz I was making a stop before work and never had this happened to me. But business as usual at Wally World.
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