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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:09 pm
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Electronic Recovery and Access Device in OK [merged]

FYI....

You may have heard of civil asset forfeiture.
That's where police can seize your property and cash without first proving you committed a crime; without a warrant and without arresting you, as long as they suspect that your property is somehow tied to a crime.
Now, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol has a device that also allows them to seize money in your bank account or on prepaid cards.
It's called an ERAD, or Electronic Recovery and Access to Data machine, and state police began using 16 of them last month.
Here's how it works. If a trooper suspects you may have money tied to some type of crime, the highway patrol can scan any cards you have and seize the money.
"We're gonna look for different factors in the way that you're acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent said. “We're gonna look for if there's a difference in your story. If there's someway that we can prove that you're falsifying information to us about your business."
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Troopers insist this isn't just about seizing cash.
"I know that a lot of people are just going to focus on the seizing money. That's a very small thing that' s happening now. The largest part that we have found ... the biggest benefit has been the identity theft," Vincent said.
"If you can prove can prove that you have a legitimate reason to have that money it will be given back to you. And we've done that in the past," Vincent said about any money seized.
State Sen. Kyle Loveless, R-Oklahoma City, said that removes due process and the belief that a suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He said we've already seen cases in Oklahoma where police are abusing the system.
"We've seen single mom's stuff be taken, a cancer survivor his drugs taken, we saw a Christian band being taken. We've seen innocent people's stuff being taken. We've seen where the money goes and how it's been misspent," Loveless said.
Loveless plans to introduce legislation next session that would require a conviction before any assets could be seized.
"If I had to err on the side of one side versus the other, I would err on the side of the Constitution,” Loveless said. “And I think that's what we need to do."
News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state.
It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.
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Oklahoma MSers Bewar - Cops Can Sieze Your GC Balance

I should be shocked by this, but I'm not any more.

The Oklahoma Department of Public Safety has purchased several devices capable of seizing funds loaded on to prepaid debit cards to aid troopers in roadside seizures of suspected drug-trafficking proceeds.

The portable card scanners are designed to be carried in law enforcement vehicles, allow troopers to freeze and seize money loaded onto a prepaid debit card, and to return money to an account whose funds were seized or frozen.

The vehicle-mounted scanners are also capable of retrieving and storing limited account information from other cards as well, such as banking debit cards, credit cards and “payment account information from virtually any magnetic stripe card,” according to the website and patent documents of the device manufacturer, Texas-based ERAD Group Inc. ERAD stands for Electronic Recovery and Access to Data.
(That title should be Beware by the way)
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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:13 pm
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You beat me by one minute. I assume mods will merge threads.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:14 pm
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Well what a shock, and in Oklahoma of all places, the most progressive, open minded state of them all
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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:16 pm
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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:45 pm
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The annual value of illegal and illicit activities occurring in the U.S. is estimated to be more than $120B. And while most of that money is transported in bulk-cash shipments, more and more is being transferred with prepaid cash cards and other electronic methods. Unlike cash, the money associated with prepaid cash cards can be moved by criminals using a mobile phone or internet application in minutes, even after the criminals have been arrested and the prepaid cards confiscated. With billions of dollars being illegally loaded on prepaid cash cards, Law Enforcement needs the tools to obtain a balance, freeze or confiscate those funds.

Now there’s a solution that can do in seconds what used to take hours.

The ERAD credit, debit, prepaid, and gift card cloud based program provide real-time analytics, recording, and balance information at law enforcement's fingertips.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:46 pm
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Sounds like a good reason to never visit Oklahoma.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 3:48 pm
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Perhaps the LEO in Oklahoma are actually just ultra heavy hitting churners: This is just a super cheap and fast method to liquidate their cards.
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"Officer, are you detaining me, or am I free to go?"

"I do not consent to searches."

IMO most seizures from non-criminals happen to people who consent to it.
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I have a lockbox in my car in which all MO and cards go when I am driving. They're not getting into that thing without some heavy power tools and a warrant.

NEVER EVER EVER consent to searches, or talk to police. If I get pulled over for any reason I just say "At the advice of counsel I am going to invoke my fifth amendment right and respectfully decline to make any statements or answer any questions." My window is not going down more than 1/4 of the way down and I'm not making any sudden movements.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by CWAL View Post
Perhaps the LEO in Oklahoma are actually just ultra heavy hitting churners: This is just a super cheap and fast method to liquidate their cards.
With an incredible 7.7% processing fee? I know you were joking but still.

ERAD group has well-connected friends/relatives to get that kind of a deal.
IMO they deserve some scrutiny too, any bribes or bid-rigging both sides
of the deal need jail time.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 5:15 pm
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Originally Posted by ElPresidente View Post
With an incredible 7.7% processing fee? I know you were joking but still.

ERAD group has well-connected friends/relatives to get that kind of a deal.
IMO they deserve some scrutiny too, any bribes or bid-rigging both sides
of the deal need jail time.
Nearly 8%? That's quite the racket. They must be in on the churn too.
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Originally Posted by 1PercentClub View Post
I have a lockbox in my car in which all MO and cards go when I am driving. They're not getting into that thing without some heavy power tools and a warrant.
That's not how car searches work. You're right not to consent though.

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Old Jun 8, 16, 5:48 pm
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That's not how car searches work. You're right not to consent though.
They can search the car; Not that little lockbox
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Originally Posted by 1PercentClub View Post
They can search the car; Not that little lockbox
"Owing to this unpaid parking ticket from 1973 we found in your record, we are going to tow your car. At the impound lot we can do any searches we wish."
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