Buying gold coins for maximum points-generation
#1
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NYC
Posts: 94
Buying gold coins for maximum points-generation
Hi, I'd like to accumulate 20-50K USD in investment-grade gold coins. No particular rush, although I intend to start soon and finish in less than a year. I just want them to sit on, let's say diversification.
How would you go about doing this for maximum intrinsic coin or bullion value and maximum points generation as well? Is the US Mint the only legit game in town?
I'm sitting on an Amex Gold 75K / 5K targeted mailer I can knock back this way. I suppose I could do that with a few other opportunistic signup bonuses as I see them throughout the year. So then 5 effortless $5K spend signup bonuses over a year is the best idea I have. Is that the best I can do with 25K, possibly 50K of spend? It might be nice to mentally check out on every high-spend signup I do this year.
Buying coins on Amazon or eBay in these quantities sounds sketchy but if anyone knowledgeable has done it I'd love to hear about that (e.g., opens up Staples/Ink gift card play). I can't find anything so far from reputable retailers on AA or Alaska rewards mall, for example.
Thanks for any ideas.
How would you go about doing this for maximum intrinsic coin or bullion value and maximum points generation as well? Is the US Mint the only legit game in town?
I'm sitting on an Amex Gold 75K / 5K targeted mailer I can knock back this way. I suppose I could do that with a few other opportunistic signup bonuses as I see them throughout the year. So then 5 effortless $5K spend signup bonuses over a year is the best idea I have. Is that the best I can do with 25K, possibly 50K of spend? It might be nice to mentally check out on every high-spend signup I do this year.
Buying coins on Amazon or eBay in these quantities sounds sketchy but if anyone knowledgeable has done it I'd love to hear about that (e.g., opens up Staples/Ink gift card play). I can't find anything so far from reputable retailers on AA or Alaska rewards mall, for example.
Thanks for any ideas.
#4
Join Date: Sep 2015
Programs: Delta Platinum, United Platinum, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 120
I've seen the occasional good deal on eBay from dealers. The trick is buying at a good price. For 1 ounce coins that would be around 3-4% over the spot price of gold. Anything higher than that and I would not buy. Canadian Maple Leafs tend to have the best prices and are a good coin to buy.
I have not pulled the trigger on any deal yet because I have been able to meet minimum spend in other ways and I live outside of the USA most of the time so it's less convenient for me to do.
I have not pulled the trigger on any deal yet because I have been able to meet minimum spend in other ways and I live outside of the USA most of the time so it's less convenient for me to do.
#5
Join Date: Sep 2015
Programs: Delta Platinum, United Platinum, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 120
Buy a high strength magnet to take to a dealer if buying gold coins. All you need to do is pull it out of your pocket then there is little chance they will try to pawn a fake coin off on you. Gold plated tungsten is magnetic, pure gold is not. That's more difficult for large bars as they tend to have a thicker layer of gold over the tungsten core. Read up on other methods to test gold and silver for authenticity.
#6
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NYC
Posts: 94
Yeah I'm thinking Buffaloes, Eagles, maple leafs, and / or krugerrands. I see apmex has an eBay store. Still feels like I should be able to generate more than just 200k worthwhile (UR etc) miles here per 25k in gold. So is ink signup / staples / eBay / apmex the best move?
#7
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: WI
Programs: HHonors Gold, UAMP
Posts: 895
You're going to pay a bit amount over spot price for metals. So anything you buy is likely a loss from the start, then you're going to be watching currency and futures risks. Gold can easily rise and crash a few percent in a matter of minutes.
due note that full american eagles are US face of $50, if you're planning to sit on the coins for investment purposes, the best bet is likely buying futures or etf/etns that relate to the pricing.
due note that full american eagles are US face of $50, if you're planning to sit on the coins for investment purposes, the best bet is likely buying futures or etf/etns that relate to the pricing.
#8
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Los Angles
Posts: 2,101
Hi, I'd like to accumulate 20-50K USD in investment-grade gold coins. No particular rush, although I intend to start soon and finish in less than a year. I just want them to sit on, let's say diversification.
How would you go about doing this for maximum intrinsic coin or bullion value and maximum points generation as well? Is the US Mint the only legit game in town?
I'm sitting on an Amex Gold 75K / 5K targeted mailer I can knock back this way. I suppose I could do that with a few other opportunistic signup bonuses as I see them throughout the year. So then 5 effortless $5K spend signup bonuses over a year is the best idea I have. Is that the best I can do with 25K, possibly 50K of spend? It might be nice to mentally check out on every high-spend signup I do this year.
Buying coins on Amazon or eBay in these quantities sounds sketchy but if anyone knowledgeable has done it I'd love to hear about that (e.g., opens up Staples/Ink gift card play). I can't find anything so far from reputable retailers on AA or Alaska rewards mall, for example.
Thanks for any ideas.
How would you go about doing this for maximum intrinsic coin or bullion value and maximum points generation as well? Is the US Mint the only legit game in town?
I'm sitting on an Amex Gold 75K / 5K targeted mailer I can knock back this way. I suppose I could do that with a few other opportunistic signup bonuses as I see them throughout the year. So then 5 effortless $5K spend signup bonuses over a year is the best idea I have. Is that the best I can do with 25K, possibly 50K of spend? It might be nice to mentally check out on every high-spend signup I do this year.
Buying coins on Amazon or eBay in these quantities sounds sketchy but if anyone knowledgeable has done it I'd love to hear about that (e.g., opens up Staples/Ink gift card play). I can't find anything so far from reputable retailers on AA or Alaska rewards mall, for example.
Thanks for any ideas.
#10
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 3,688
I started collecting coins many years ago. The ones I bought from ebay are the NGC graded presidential spouse series when there was a discount going on then and average amount I paid then was $375 to $400 each (their prices have more than doubled now depending on their rarity). I have a business contact in HK who also collects coins and I've sold some of my duplicates to her when we went there on vacation. Without discounts on ebay, I buy the graded buffaloes, maple leaf, krugerrands, etc from a reputable local dealer. If you notice, I buy the graded ones mainly for the numismatic value, the metal value is just secondary to me.
#12
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NYC
Posts: 94
You're going to pay a bit amount over spot price for metals. So anything you buy is likely a loss from the start, then you're going to be watching currency and futures risks. Gold can easily rise and crash a few percent in a matter of minutes.
due note that full american eagles are US face of $50, if you're planning to sit on the coins for investment purposes, the best bet is likely buying futures or etf/etns that relate to the pricing.
due note that full american eagles are US face of $50, if you're planning to sit on the coins for investment purposes, the best bet is likely buying futures or etf/etns that relate to the pricing.
IRA-eligible bundles sell for a modest premium over spot; I would still be crossing the spread if I bought a bunch of GLD instead; the small % dealer premiums don't bother me because of my time horizon.
With the advantage that I'm in no hurry and don't see gold prices tripling overnight for any reason, the ability (constraint, maybe) to accumulate a retail-sized position in small increments, and no expectation of a profit in the near future, I figured generating a few hundred thousand points for my trouble would be a fun perk.
#13
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NYC
Posts: 94
I started collecting coins many years ago. The ones I bought from ebay are the NGC graded presidential spouse series when there was a discount going on then and average amount I paid then was $375 to $400 each (their prices have more than doubled now depending on their rarity). I have a business contact in HK who also collects coins and I've sold some of my duplicates to her when we went there on vacation. Without discounts on ebay, I buy the graded buffaloes, maple leaf, krugerrands, etc from a reputable local dealer. If you notice, I buy the graded ones mainly for the numismatic value, the metal value is just secondary to me.
How easy do you find it to travel with coins? My girlfriend laughed at me when I told her it would be way easier to travel with 100K in gold coins than a stack of paper currency. "What are we, 19th century gypsies sewing coins into our clothes?"
Nice pickup on the first spouse sets! How often do those promotional discounts come up?
#14
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NYC
Posts: 94
I should have been clearer. This isn't a Mint arbitrage. Consider my request rephrased this way: I have 20-50K in natural but entirely discretionary spend I intend to use for points generation. Modest inefficiency is OK due to the nature of the transaction. Due to the cards my household doesn't already have, I would be looking at some combination of Chase Ink, AmEx Gold, and miscellaneous other TBD higher-spend card signups. Perhaps something from Citi, where I'm underweight. Are GC and related strategies worth employing here to bump up the signup bonus earning rate? I prefer UR or MR points but AA, AS, UA, Hyatt, and Marriot are also desirable.
#15
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NYC
Posts: 94
I've seen the occasional good deal on eBay from dealers. The trick is buying at a good price. For 1 ounce coins that would be around 3-4% over the spot price of gold. Anything higher than that and I would not buy. Canadian Maple Leafs tend to have the best prices and are a good coin to buy.
I have not pulled the trigger on any deal yet because I have been able to meet minimum spend in other ways and I live outside of the USA most of the time so it's less convenient for me to do.
I have not pulled the trigger on any deal yet because I have been able to meet minimum spend in other ways and I live outside of the USA most of the time so it's less convenient for me to do.
The way the dealer and Mint pricing tiers work, it seems like it makes the most sense to buy like 4-5 each of Eagles, Buffaloes, Kruggerands, Maple Leafs, wait around opportunistically for discount programs, and then decide where to concentrate the rest of it.