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Old Jan 7, 2016, 8:18 am
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This is the 2016 and onwards Bluebird thread.

The original discussion. The previous 2013- 2014 megathread. The previous 2015 megathread.

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Read the wiki before posting a question.

The most recent huge wave of shutdowns occurred in May 2019.

Most accounts used for MS were shut down on Jan 8, 2016. Another wave of shutdowns occurred on March 4, 2016. Using Bluebird for MS is very likely to lead to account closure. There is no clear pattern as to how to avoid the account shut-downs. Some of the dormant accounts were not shut down.


Check your BB load limits BEFORE asking in this thread about "tender not allowed" or any other errors.

Bluebird website. There's no need to buy a Bluebird kit in-store; sign-up free on the website.

For information on switching from BB to Serve, see the Serve thread wiki.

Bluebird Load Limits:
  • Cash loading: $2,500 ($1,999.99 at Walmart) per card per day; $9,000 per day all BB cards combined; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 calendar month and $100,000 per year all BB cards combined for each SSN.
  • Direct Deposit: $100,000 per year
  • Online Debit Card Load* - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Mobile Check Capture by Ingo® Money - $5,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

The cash load limit for a temp card is $1,500 total.

*For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. Your account will be flagged upon first/second attempt. If blocked, call Account Protection Services at 1-800-660-2454 to clear it (9am-8pm EST, Mon-Fri).

The day currently resets around midnight Eastern/11pm Central/10pm Mountain/9pm Pacific.

For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy reloads
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement


Loading with debit card at Walmart
Self checkout does not work for loading.

Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of gift cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC again to load with gift cards.

Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Please see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...bit-cards.html for additional information on using prepaid debit cards.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered .

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

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Old Apr 11, 2019, 9:27 pm
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Are there any data points related to shutdowns or risk associated with doing multiple cash loads using Bluebird at WM?
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 6:18 pm
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Old May 21, 2019, 4:22 pm
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Can I get a BlueBird account if I have or has a shutdown serve account? Also is it common to get multiple BlueBird accounts in case of shutdowns like serve?
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Old May 21, 2019, 4:58 pm
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My got closed even I don't use much. Maybe 2k or less per 2 months.
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Old May 21, 2019, 5:23 pm
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Card shut down today, possible round of closures again....
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Old May 21, 2019, 8:34 pm
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Mine got shut down today as well.. just started about 2 months ago... but was doing 10k per month
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Old May 21, 2019, 8:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Anndr000
Mine got shut down today as well.. just started about 2 months ago... but was doing 10k per month
Join the MO crowd.
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Old May 22, 2019, 10:40 am
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Same here. Shutdown email received yesterday. Had it for a couple of weeks. Did about 2k in total.
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Old May 22, 2019, 12:18 pm
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Originally Posted by WannabeRichUncle
Same here. Shutdown email received yesterday. Had it for a couple of weeks. Did about 2k in total.
Doctor of credit says people were allowed to sign up again after this round of shutdown.. probably give that a try in a couple of weeks
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Old May 22, 2019, 6:45 pm
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Just close a serve and try to apply a new one.

Sorry, we are unable to approve you for an Account at this time.

Thank you for your interest in American Express Serve.

Seems on the blacklist of AE,
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Old May 22, 2019, 6:57 pm
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Just because we’re black listed for blue bird, doesn’t mean we’re blacklisted with signing up for any AMEX credit/ charged card right?...
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Old May 23, 2019, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by Anndr000



Doctor of credit says people were allowed to sign up again after this round of shutdown.. probably give that a try in a couple of weeks
couple of wks may be too late; did u try to reapply immediately to see? few folks had success with immediately closing & reopening; however, those folks tried to open more cards shortly a day later wasn't able to get approved
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Old May 23, 2019, 10:44 am
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After having all my BB and Serve cards shutdown Tuesday I was able to open 1 Serve and 1 BB yesterday with a new email address using temp cards bought at WM and CVS. Loaded $500 VGCs to each via FD and WM same day. Waiting on permanent cards to arrive to unlock Bill Pay and pay out the funds to CC. Might try for two more in a week or so. Also going to put some minor organic spend on these just for the hell of it.
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Old May 23, 2019, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Prometheus77
After having all my BB and Serve cards shutdown Tuesday I was able to open 1 Serve and 1 BB yesterday with a new email address using temp cards bought at WM and CVS. Loaded $500 VGCs to each via FD and WM same day. Waiting on permanent cards to arrive to unlock Bill Pay and pay out the funds to CC. Might try for two more in a week or so. Also going to put some minor organic spend on these just for the hell of it.
How can you load the temp cards at different stores? To my understanding, you can only load the temp card at time of purchase and can't re-load until you get the permanent cards....
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Old May 23, 2019, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by RedSun
How can you load the temp cards at different stores? To my understanding, you can only load the temp card at time of purchase and can't re-load until you get the permanent cards....
Not true at all. You buy the temp card by putting $20 or so on it then go on line and register the card to an account and you can put up to $1K on it until you get the permanent card in the mail. This is not new as I have done this with just about every Serve or BB I have used with the exception of the One VIP Serve I ordered online.
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