AmEx for Target (2015)

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American Express® is discontinuing the American Express for Target Prepaid Card program on March 21, 2016.

***Attention*** If you are new to the forum and thinking about AFT loads to accomodate your bonus or rewards spend, please be advised this method has taken a major hit effective first week of May, 2015, as mentioned in latter posts on this thread.****

This thread is a continuation of http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...ities-208.html

please be aware the Target breach cards are currently on the black market, as always be aware of activity on all accounts

Purchase in store. Each store seems to have just one lane that has them on display (unlike the AMEX GC which are at most lanes). Package is larger than other gift cards, silver and red.

Not available in all states. Search here for possible locations

Note: Unlike AMEX's restriction on BB/Serve/Redbird where one person can only hold one of those, you can have an AFT (2, actually) while holding a BB, Serve, or Redbird

Need DL to purchase.
Max 1 purchase per ss# per day--this means one person can actually have 2 AFT cards, which is why there is a $5000 total limit for 2 cards (see below).
Max initial load $500 + $3 load fee.

May reload temp card as soon as verification of identity is complete, may take 48 hours. You can use an ATM with a temp card as soon as you're able to view your temp card PIN online. If you're unable to view your PIN online, you won't be able to use an ATM until you have the permanent card, which takes about two weeks.

Many stores now limit reloading to the service desk, and no longer at cashiers. The card must be swiped at a cash terminal to reload, not scanned! Ask cashiers to try if they don't seem to recognize the card. Ask if loading at service desk is a policy, it might just be a knee-jerk response from cashiers that don't know about the card. I have been told that a few times, "You need to go to the Service Desk," it has never been true. Say please and thank you.

Limits & Fees
Loading
Codes as purchase on all cards.
Load fee $3
Max $1000 per card in 24 hour period.
Max $5000 total for both cards per 28 day rolling period.
May load any card *until* balance is $2500 for 28 day period (not *up to*)

System will allow a $1000 load on a card with a $2000 balance so long as you are under $5000 for all cards over 28 day period. See below for optimal load sequence, $15/$5k a month after 1st month and $15k in 65 days for new cards.

Unload via ATM
Max $400/card/day (resets 12am PST)
First ATM w/d per month per card is free, based on 1st of the month (not rolling)+ any ATM owner fee.
Additional ATM w/d fee $3 + ATM fee
Note that unlike Amex RB/BB, AFT is NOT in AllPoint network, thus NO surcharge-free ATM generally.

When asked 'from account' choose 'checking.'

Possibly helpful link (Surcharge Free ATMs):
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...-fee-atms.html

Unload by purchases
No fee. No cash back.

Additional information

Optimal load pattern for least number of $3 fees after first $500 load is $3k/$2k.
New accounts can load $15k in 65 days. 4 trips in a week for new cards, 3 in a week once a month after that.

Load always means load $1000. 28 day load total in parenthesis. 'Dropped' means that load is past the 28 day mark.

Day 1: Purchase card #1, load $500
Day 3: Purchase card #2, load $500; Load card #1 ($1500)
Day 5: load card #1 ($2500); load card #2 ($1500)
Day 7: load card #2 ($2500)
*********************************wait************
Day 29: ($2000)($2500) day 1 dropped
Day 31: ($1000)($2000) day 3 dropped
Day 32: load card #1 ($2000) ; load card #2 ($3000)
Day 33: ($1000)($2000) day 5 dropped
Day 34: load card #1 ($2000); load card #2 ($3000)
Day 35: ($2000) ($2000) day 7 dropped
Day 36: load card #1 ($3000), ($2000)
*********************************wait************
Day 61: load both cards, day 32 dropped
Day 63: load both cards
Day 65: load one card.

Repeat Loads waiting 29 days between loads, if you loaded both cards 29 days ago load both now, if you loaded one card, load one now. So next load date is 61+29= Day 90

FAQ

Q: Can I load with Visa/MC/Amex Gift Cards?
A: Visa and MC Gift cards with a PIN can be used. Amex gift cards no longer work.

Q: How about Target gift cards?
A: The register prompts not to allow Target gift cards. They may not be hard coded, though.

Q: Will I get 5% off if I load with a Target Red card?
A: No. Sorry, I wish.

Q: Can I load multiple cards in one transaction?
A: No. This died February 4, 2015 or shortly before.

Q:Is there a max number of payment swipes?
A: Yes. Maximum swipes for split payments is 7, though other users have reported being able to swipe at least 10 gift cards for payment without problems.

Q: What are the lowest possible fees with a fee-free ATM available?
A: For 2 cards, each loaded with $2.5K each over 2 months ($10K in total), you would pay $30 in loading fees (10 load fees of $3 each) and $63 in ATM fees (25 total withdrawals, with 1 free withdrawal per card each month, resulting in 21 ATM fees of $3 each).

Q: Where is my permanent card? I did not receive my permanent card. How do I receive my permanent card?
A: You do not need to register the temporary card online after purchase or create the online account to receive your permanent card. You should have received your permanent card within 7 days. Your temporary card will stop working after 30 days.

If you have not received your card, your application may have been declined. The personal information you registered may be incorrect, or Amex could not verify your identity.

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Official fund loading from T&C

You may load funds to your Cards using your Funding Source until the Available Funds on any Card purchased by you equals $2,500 and on all card purchased by you equals $5,000... Not more than $1,000 may be loaded to any Card purchased by you in a 24 hour period using your Funding Source, not more than $5,000 may be loaded to all Cards purchased by you in any 28-day period using your Funding Source.

IMPORTANT MESSAGE IF YOU LOADED YOUR PREPAID CARD AT TARGET DURING THE CHRISTMAS SECURITY BREACH: It is important to have AMEX reissue your cards (just phone the number on the card and ask for a new card). Thieves have the numbers and pins and can drain your account at any time. AMEX does not appear to be using software to block suspicious activity, so they can drain it all. If you loaded your prepaid card at Target between November 27 and December 15, 2013, you are at significant risk of having your money stolen (several reported cases in April and May).
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Old Jan 1, 15, 2:56 pm
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Old Jan 1, 15, 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by trubador View Post
anyone else having problems loading their cards? I have $3700 on my two cards with 4 $1000 transactions in the last 30 days (2 on each) and I can't get the last $1000 to load. I may just hit the ATM and try again.
I have never once successfully reloaded a card with $1000 when there was more than $1500 on it. I seriously wonder whether there aren't either two sub-species of cards or two sub-species of registers, since so many people report success at this.
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Old Jan 2, 15, 1:34 am
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how normal is it to get an error of "security code" not being correct while trying to register? It said the 4 digit number on the front of the card was wrong. Called customer service, they said their sending me a replacement temp card.
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Old Jan 2, 15, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by bugjuice11 View Post
how normal is it to get an error of "security code" not being correct while trying to register? It said the 4 digit number on the front of the card was wrong. Called customer service, they said their sending me a replacement temp card.
That happened to me. Other than wasted time on the phone and waiting for the permanent card in the mail, all is well. Been using it for a few months.
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Old Jan 3, 15, 9:16 pm
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If I can't find a fee free ATM can I unload via money order?
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Old Jan 4, 15, 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by mastermind85 View Post
If I can't find a fee free ATM can I unload via money order?
Nope...AFT is run like a credit card as ALL AMEX card do. You cannot but MO's with a CC, just debit with pin is accepted (i.e. VGC) at many places and of course, cash. What state are you located in? I would recommend going around to local credit unions and try your luck with finding one that doesn't charge a fee. My local CU allows fee free withdrawls.
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Old Jan 4, 15, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by RickyBobby View Post
Nope...AFT is run like a credit card as ALL AMEX card do. You cannot but MO's with a CC, just debit with pin is accepted (i.e. VGC) at many places and of course, cash. What state are you located in? I would recommend going around to local credit unions and try your luck with finding one that doesn't charge a fee. My local CU allows fee free withdrawls.
I am located in Arlington, VA (22203). Can you help me find one close by? Appreciate it!
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Old Jan 4, 15, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by FindAWay View Post
Yes. Several reports. Unfortunately, you probably need to create a second login for the second card. One person reports an unintended benefit from this though (search this thread ).
Here it is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...t22419457.html

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Originally Posted by healthnut View Post
If it allows you to go through by making a second log-in I would do so. Chills the risk of AMEX worrying about you having multiple accounts (although I know many do). MS can be a little bit of a burden sometimes, but I wouldn't worry about having so many accounts to log into. Same situation with MVD.
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Old Jan 4, 15, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by mastermind85 View Post
I am located in Arlington, VA (22203). Can you help me find one close by? Appreciate it!
I can't guarantee a fee free ATM but when I was in NOVA a few weeks ago, I noticed PNC branches. In Florida, PNC offers fee free ATMs at convenience gas stores in FL.

Here is a link to PNC ATMs if you want to give it a shot:

https://apps.pnc.com/locator/?WT.mc_...22203&offset=0

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Old Jan 4, 15, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by mastermind85 View Post
I am located in Arlington, VA (22203). Can you help me find one close by? Appreciate it!
Jan posted a link that may help you to find a fee free ATM...It looks like there a few convenient stores in VA that have no fee for AFT. Honestly, what I did was drive around to about 15 different Credit Unions and banks within a 10mi radius of me and, through trial and error, I found a credit union that offers me my daily 400$ payout, for free ; unfortunately, this CU only has branches in the inter-mountain west.
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Old Jan 4, 15, 3:16 pm
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Originally Posted by jan_believes View Post
I can't guarantee a fee free ATM but when I was in NOVA a few weeks ago, I noticed PNC branches. In Florida, PNC offers fee free ATMs at convenience gas stores in FL.
A number of banks contract with certain stores to offer fee-free ATMs. For example: My bank charges $2.50 to unload AFT, but it charges nothing at a local upscale grocery. Unfortunately it's pretty hit and miss. I haven't heard that PNC is offering the same deal in NOVA.
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Old Jan 4, 15, 5:30 pm
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Basically, it's all trial and error.

Even this list

Originally Posted by jan_believes View Post
is wrong. For example, in south florida, there is no fee-free atm at any racetrac. Yet it is still listed. Basically, everything is regional. I go up to Pgh and I can throw a stone and hit 2 or 3 free ATMs.

Down here we end up going to costco. I've gone to every damn CU and bank around hoping to get lucky...nope.
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Old Jan 4, 15, 6:29 pm
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In San Diego they have removed all the AFTs, and even the racks that held them. Hopefully getting ready for the new redbird in CA
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Old Jan 4, 15, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by brero View Post
Never noticed this before in the FAQs:

How does the American Express for Target Card work?
The Card is easy to use. Just follow these 3 steps:

Load:
. . .

Spend:
. . .

Repeat:
. . . Reloads are prohibited in stores located in Arkansas and North Carolina.
This may be being enforced now. I was refused reload today in CLT (NC) by a cashier I've loaded with before. When I said I'd done it tons of times before, she gave me a very scripted "Any time we've loaded these cards in the past was a courtesy." She suggested I load the card at Walmart Moneycenter. When I pointed out that it's a Target card, she just gave up and said they can't do it.
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