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jmw Aug 1, 2014 1:04 am


Originally Posted by bigmouth2008 (Post 23291908)
Instead of get all upset about bloggers, I think most MSers should be really worried about fraudsters out there. Fraud is the No.1 existential threat to MS, period. And yet, people generally just ignore about it or pretending it's not an issue.

Get real. That's a bunch of hogwash....

Bloggers have done way more to hurt the hobby than the thieves. If it was fraud that causes a store to say cash only, I'll just go to a different drugstore. A blog can kill whole deals. No more VR. No more HIGC. No more Evolve with a credit card. Etc..... That's why we have private forums and messaging now.

kcblakely Aug 1, 2014 6:31 am


Originally Posted by bigmouth2008 (Post 23291908)
And yet, people generally just ignore about it or pretending it's not an issue.

Fraud is not a threat. The banks that make all this possible are making so much money that they are happy to absorb the fraud risk. It's been that way since the credit card industry was born.

Now; when the day comes that you and I the consumers are saddled with the risk of fraud, then you might see a change, only because we will all become much more circumspect about using these instruments and the velocity will slow down....

dgreen12 Aug 1, 2014 7:32 am


Originally Posted by kcblakely (Post 23292870)
Fraud is not a threat.

This article suggests that fraud and other crime could be a real problem for MS.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/07/...=top-news&_r=0

FTR 787 Aug 1, 2014 2:44 pm

no it doesnt... all it does is simplify how you load your MPs to your prepaid card... just like you could load Serve @ CVS. thats actually much better for MS.

dgreen12 Aug 1, 2014 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by FTRox87 (Post 23295484)
no it doesnt... all it does is simplify how you load your MPs to your prepaid card... just like you could load Serve @ CVS. thats actually much better for MS.

Yes, it does. Did you read the article? Do you want the Feds to come crashing down on MS because of a crackdown on such cards?

FTR 787 Aug 1, 2014 5:32 pm

I read the article and wth are you talking about? get out of your fantasy doom and gloom scenario and start living in the real world. Feds could care less about MS when they have bigger fish to fry.

GD is only concerned about their bottom line. the move to electronic and immediate loading of your prepaid is great for MS, provided the retailer allows CC. no need to mess around with MPs (lost, stolen, fraud) or activation issues. thats the only thing that changes and is great.

mikeyb45 Sep 26, 2014 8:45 pm

The fact that the vast majority of stores that don't accept CC for GC do accept cash *or* debit leads me to believe that the added security of the PIN number is enough for most stores to be comfortable with the greatly reduced level of fraud risk involved. Assuming that fraud is the #1 reason for stores going cash/debit only, one would think that the imminent chip and pin transition would be good for this hobby. On the other hand, it's probably unlikely that any store that's already changed to cash/debit only would revisit this and start allowing credit cards again. Our 1970s-era mag stripe technology with absolutely no encryption has not been kind to MSing.

AlohaDaveKennedy Sep 28, 2014 6:55 am

+1 from this fraud examiner. Another piece of our financial infrastructure built of glass, not steel. And don't get me started on the banks implementing chip and signature, which is just putting out fire with gasoline.:eek:


Originally Posted by mikeyb45 (Post 23588068)
Our 1970s-era mag stripe technology with absolutely no encryption has not been kind to MSing.


mandj Sep 28, 2014 7:33 am

FWIW yesterday I got two automated fraud phone calls for my MS purchases. I haven't had any from these two - ever. I would say the recent home depot breach is causing credit card companies to amp up their fraud detection systems.

It is slightly uncomfortable that my transactions are being flagged as fraudulent purchases - especially when it's just the MS ones.

rabatt Sep 28, 2014 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by mandj (Post 23593185)
It is slightly uncomfortable that my transactions are being flagged as fraudulent purchases - especially when it's just the MS ones.

Do you normally make purchases at these same stores in dollar amounts similar to that of your MS purchases?

mandj Oct 15, 2014 9:43 am

MS avenues dying at a fast pace
 
Seems the popularity in this hobby is certainly growing. I must admit, I am a newcomer and I hope it stays under the radar but I was able to find out, why not others. Plus, I read posts about people MSing with low salaries or even college kids; certainly all income groups are attracted to this opportunity.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...red%20Spending

I have "plans" and an Excel sheet detailing all of my future spending/liquidation strategies. So far, I've had to pull 3 methods from said sheet :(

VizeL Oct 15, 2014 9:54 am

they come and go (mostly go)

aGeist Oct 15, 2014 9:58 am

this hobby should be restricted to high income 'heavy hitters' would MS hundreds of thousands and then all those newbies come in and ruin it with 1 or 2k here and there.

bigugly Oct 15, 2014 10:25 am

Lazy/passive MS is dying somewhat. Otherwise it is about the same.

pillow25 Oct 15, 2014 10:30 am


Originally Posted by mandj (Post 23681004)
Seems the popularity in this hobby is certainly growing.

Well, when you've had people like Mommy points go on Nightline advertising "FREE TRAVEL", what do you expect?


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