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Old Oct 25, 2013, 11:21 am
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Read the wiki before posting a question.
It's a literacy test that's easy to pass.

This is the Serve thread. Post questions or information concerning other topics in the appropriate threads elsewhere in this forum.

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

Mentions of Softcard (formerly ISIS) are purely incidental to setting up and using Serve/Softcard. Softcard does not hold money, and you cannot load to it.


You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.


Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD


Normal Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Serve/Softcard Check if your phone/network is compatible
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

The SD card in the iPhone case used for Softcard is account specific. Once an account has been registered to a card, it cannot be used for another.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.


Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

As of 10/09/14, coding of credit card loads changed. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as before; see below for information on point earning. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
  • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Discover

Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express (May count toward minimum spend)

Posts as a cash advance:
For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

Several people have reported no problems with loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card. YMMV.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval.


Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal*, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.


Switching to Serve or Serve/Softcard
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching to Serve/Softcard
  1. Call up Bluebird or Serve and close account. Make sure your account is at $0.00 before calling. Just close it, don't ask for a temp Serve or anything. CSR will say account is now closed and you have 30 days to change your mind should you decide to re-open it.
  2. Download the Softcard mobile app from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. If you're an iPhone user you have to buy the NFC CashWrap case from your carrier store.
  3. Launch Softcard Mobile App and create Softcard account. You'll be asked if you want to open a Serve account; Yes you do. Start the registration through Softcard mobile app for a Serve account, once you are finished you will be told you will receive an Email from Amex with your account approval. I waited a few hours and called Serve customer service like the wiki says and completed the registration.
  4. Once I got off the phone with Serve I received an email from Serve where I verified my account and email; at this point Amex Serve is open.
  5. Launch Softcard Mobile app again click add new
  6. Activate card with Softcard and select Amex Serve. Follow the instructions & you're good to add. Once this is complete a Serve Card will populate in Softcard. Must activate physical card to get full load limits. Check account status and it automatically credits to your serve account based on who you signed up with. (Verizon - $25, T-Mobile - $50, AT&T - $30 (For AT&T: Get $15 w/activation. Earn additional $15 w/account replenishment))

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
  2. Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
  3. at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
  4. get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
  5. after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
  6. I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
  7. CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
  8. at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
  9. after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
  10. CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318



Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.


Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement



For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 12:27 pm
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has anyone been able to load with their ink cards? my csp and sw cards load fine but when i try to use my ink cards they are always declined.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 12:29 pm
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Never a problem with my Ink Plus.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by ZBigFam
has anyone been able to load with their ink cards? my csp and sw cards load fine but when i try to use my ink cards they are always declined.
Specify which Ink. Ink Bold is unlikely to work.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 12:52 pm
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I used my citi AA visa and have been hit with a $50 CA fee and $2.XX APR interest. I was very shocked to see this as I have been using it for months before. I am now complaining to CS to have this removed/credited back. This is devastating!
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by ZBigFam
has anyone been able to load with their ink cards? my csp and sw cards load fine but when i try to use my ink cards they are always declined.
Ink Bold is a no go as posted in the Wiki. Ink Plus there are reports that it works fine.

Originally Posted by zzrayzz
I used my citi AA visa and have been hit with a $50 CA fee and $2.XX APR interest. I was very shocked to see this as I have been using it for months before. I am now complaining to CS to have this removed/credited back. This is devastating!
The wiki does say Citi Visas have been charged with CA as well as many other reports specifically calling out that the Citi AA Visa charges as CA. Not a surprise here.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 1:09 pm
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Yeah I know the wiki says that Citi Visa charges now. But when I did it for November (1-5) it was not updated at that point in time. Also, I have been using my Citi Visa for months now loading serve. Citi unable to credit me the the CA fee as it is the merchant? Serve? charging me the CA. Citi advised me to have Serve revert the charges to purchase in order for them to credit me back the CA fee.

AM I SOL?
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by mh1361
For those wondering if the wiki is current, you can check the edit history yourself and see when it was last edited, and what the changes were. Scroll to the bottom of the wiki, click on edit, and then next to save changes, preview changes, and cancel, you can click on view history.
Is there a way, if one has not reached the post limit yet (what is it? 90? Something crazy like that?) in order to edit the wiki, for one to still see the history of changes? The problem is I have no 'edit' button. I'm highly skeptical of the truth of claims made here:

Originally Posted by zzrayzz
Yeah I know the wiki says that Citi Visa charges now. But when I did it for November (1-5) it was not updated at that point in time.
Regardless, I'm fairly confident there were posts in early-mid October showing data points of people being charged CA fees for using the Citi AAdvantage Visa.

Originally Posted by zzrayzz
AM I SOL?
Yes, I think so. I feel like, inherent in the "YMMV" mantra frequently tossed around everywhere you look, around here, is the understanding that occasionally you'll get burned, and you need to be able to let it go and move on.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by zzrayzz
Yeah I know the wiki says that Citi Visa charges now. But when I did it for November (1-5) it was not updated at that point in time. Also, I have been using my Citi Visa for months now loading serve. Citi unable to credit me the the CA fee as it is the merchant? Serve? charging me the CA. Citi advised me to have Serve revert the charges to purchase in order for them to credit me back the CA fee.

AM I SOL?
The wiki has been updated with the information that Citi Visa cards post as CA for about a month.

Regarding the fee, you might have to just eat it, but trying a to talk to a couple more reps probably won't hurt.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by zzrayzz
Yeah I know the wiki says that Citi Visa charges now. But when I did it for November (1-5) it was not updated at that point in time. Also, I have been using my Citi Visa for months now loading serve. Citi unable to credit me the the CA fee as it is the merchant? Serve? charging me the CA. Citi advised me to have Serve revert the charges to purchase in order for them to credit me back the CA fee.

AM I SOL?
Yes you are SOL. On the Serve CC load screen it clearly says in the warning message that "CA fees can be incurred" so there is no argument there.

Also it doesn't matter if you have been loading Serve with Citi Visa for months now, the wiki clearly states as of 10/9, certain CCs have started charging as CA. The wiki doesn't specifically call out the Citi AA Visa card but Citi Visa is part of that group. Just pay down your CA balance and take the fee as a cost of MS. You were just on borrowed time. Old data points don't mean anything since it can be changed at any time. Notice all the reports of CA are all Visa CCs in the wiki.

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Old Nov 18, 2014, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by estancergist
You could try modifying the build.prop system file. It tells android what phone hardware you have. I imagine you would need to change the ro.product.model .brand .name and .device lines, and maybe some others. You'll have to figure out what to change them to yourself.

You will probably need to root your phone to make the changes, then un-root it again to run the softcard app.

If most of that doesn't make sense to you it might not be worth the hassle to try it though.
Most of that makes sense. I am rooted, I can unroot if needed (why is it needed to run the softcard app? Does it actually check against whether or not the phone is rooted, and fail to run if so? I've never seen/heard of any apps that do that). I could probably find the analogous files for a supported phone model online somewhere, to figure out what to change those values to. My concern is the "and maybe some others" part. Sounds like I'm asking for trouble, changing 3 lines that some guy on the internet haphazardly threw out as being "maybe" the right ones. Any better idea where to nail down exactly what changes would need to be made? I'm willing to guinea pig this out for others (anyone with an unsupported Nexus device and some chutzpah) if I can get confirmation that such a thing ought to work.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 2:11 pm
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I had to call serve and get my card verified (again) it took a while and 2 calls, but the next one went through....they said their company does random checks and there is no reason.... just odd.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 3:43 pm
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I tried adding my Chase Freedom MC to Serve for online loading but kept getting the "CARD ISSUER DECLINE TRANSACTION CODE" error message. Chase said there was nothing wrong with my account/no fraud alert, and the cash advance limit was $2.5k. Not sure what the issue is.

I was able to add my Chase Freedom Visa just fine and the load went through.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 5:32 pm
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Quite comical when people refuse to believe the Wiki and come back to complain when they go against it.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by ericdabbs
I wonder if some people are confusing the word "posted" and "pending" which is why we get all these alleged odd reports of "posted" transactions as CA.
+1.. seems like the Visa days are dwindling nonetheless, down to the MasterCards and Citi Amex.
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Old Nov 18, 2014, 6:41 pm
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Chase sapphire visa any confirmation either way?

How is Fidelity Amex card? Do they earn points? Cash advance?
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