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Old Oct 25, 2013, 11:21 am
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It's a literacy test that's easy to pass.

This is the Serve thread. Post questions or information concerning other topics in the appropriate threads elsewhere in this forum.

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

Mentions of Softcard (formerly ISIS) are purely incidental to setting up and using Serve/Softcard. Softcard does not hold money, and you cannot load to it.


You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.


Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD


Normal Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Serve/Softcard Check if your phone/network is compatible
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

The SD card in the iPhone case used for Softcard is account specific. Once an account has been registered to a card, it cannot be used for another.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.


Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

As of 10/09/14, coding of credit card loads changed. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as before; see below for information on point earning. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
  • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Discover

Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express (May count toward minimum spend)

Posts as a cash advance:
For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

Several people have reported no problems with loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card. YMMV.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval.


Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal*, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.


Switching to Serve or Serve/Softcard
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching to Serve/Softcard
  1. Call up Bluebird or Serve and close account. Make sure your account is at $0.00 before calling. Just close it, don't ask for a temp Serve or anything. CSR will say account is now closed and you have 30 days to change your mind should you decide to re-open it.
  2. Download the Softcard mobile app from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. If you're an iPhone user you have to buy the NFC CashWrap case from your carrier store.
  3. Launch Softcard Mobile App and create Softcard account. You'll be asked if you want to open a Serve account; Yes you do. Start the registration through Softcard mobile app for a Serve account, once you are finished you will be told you will receive an Email from Amex with your account approval. I waited a few hours and called Serve customer service like the wiki says and completed the registration.
  4. Once I got off the phone with Serve I received an email from Serve where I verified my account and email; at this point Amex Serve is open.
  5. Launch Softcard Mobile app again click add new
  6. Activate card with Softcard and select Amex Serve. Follow the instructions & you're good to add. Once this is complete a Serve Card will populate in Softcard. Must activate physical card to get full load limits. Check account status and it automatically credits to your serve account based on who you signed up with. (Verizon - $25, T-Mobile - $50, AT&T - $30 (For AT&T: Get $15 w/activation. Earn additional $15 w/account replenishment))

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
  2. Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
  3. at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
  4. get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
  5. after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
  6. I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
  7. CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
  8. at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
  9. after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
  10. CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318



Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.


Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement



For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 6:05 pm
  #8206  
 
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Originally Posted by 8fingeredflyer
I used Serve to meet the min spend on 3 AmEx SPG's that finished in Sept and October. Those charges definitely counted towards the min spend...
I used Serve to hit minimum spend on Amex PLT card and it did not award me the 25k bonus, so I think in my case it did not count towards the min spend.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Ayase
I am already cooperating by not using GCs, what else do they want me to do?
Well a good start would be to not show them your card at all. I suppose I'm lucky since I've so far never been asked by any WM cashier to see the card I'm loading from. I just show them my Serve card when walking up to the pinpad, say "How're you doing today? Just a quick reload please" and then they enter their code and say "go ahead and swipe please". I haven't stopped the time but I think it's under 1 minute total ^
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
... in almost all cases, only ELIGIBLE PURCHASES count towards meeting spend requirements. Ask yourself, Is a cash advance fee a purchase? or for that matter for those who often ask, is the annual fee counted towards spend? Well, is the annual fee a purchase? ...
You're probably right about cash advances & cash advance fees & annual fees not counting towards spend requirements. But, an amex card charged me interest on an annual fee, and the statement shows it in the Purchases category under Interest Charge Calculation. The terms show interest rates for purchases, cash advances, penalty, but no rate for fees. So, they seem to count fees as purchases in some cases, and I don't think the terms explicitly define this.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 6:54 pm
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Was a new thread really needed for this? Why not just add this to the existing Serve thread?
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by ericdabbs
Was a new thread really needed for this? Why not just add this to the existing Serve thread?
+1 *facepalm*
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 7:01 pm
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Funny thing is that it says that with any CC you load prior to loading.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by sbft77
You're probably right about cash advances & cash advance fees & annual fees not counting towards spend requirements. But, an amex card charged me interest on an annual fee, and the statement shows it in the Purchases category under Interest Charge Calculation. The terms show interest rates for purchases, cash advances, penalty, but no rate for fees. So, they seem to count fees as purchases in some cases, and I don't think the terms explicitly define this.
When they dont have a "bucket" for it to calculate the interest you owe...

Would you infer this that there might be a possibility that the fee or cash advance would be counted as purchase? I wouldn't as your experience once again demonstrates that fees do not qualify for earning points, nor meeting spend requirement, even though when you do not pay it, the fee than is lumped to the "purchase" category to calculate how much finance charge you owe!

Since fee does not count, then would the principal amount that causes the fee to be charge count? I hate to say this, but in my book, even the thought to entertain this idea is downright stupid - very lack of common sense,
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 7:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Ayase
Tried to load my Serve with my teen's Buxx card at WM. I was declined by the cashier claiming different names on the cards. I am already cooperating by not using GCs, what else do they want me to do? Each store or individual rep make up their own rules.

Once again, I swear I will not buy anything from Walmart.
Good thing that I live in the opposite side of the country. Here, it is almost imposible for a Cashier or MC Person to ask you for your plastic (GC). They even tell you that you are trying to pay with CC just to immediately learn you did the "Change Payment" trick and went all the way to use PIN base transaction on the GC, when buying a MO's. Again, they love my easy to deal with transactions versus the ones they have to deal with from people paying their Mortgages or cashing Wally to Wally transfers. Once a MC Cashier told me if I was trying to use a foreign debit card. I showed her the MCGC and she said: "well, that one looks like a debit card from this country, so you are good to swipe from your side"
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by critten
I know the thread said Citi has always done this, but some other cards started too. Chase was ok as of last month, but will wait for further confirmation.
Not sure where you are getting your information from, but citi has never charged cash advances on Serve, until very recently the VISA variety has been.

Not to mention, the OPs message is from serve.... how would serve know that your credit card is charging you cash advance fees lol. This thread is useless.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by bobert24
Perhaps I should clarify. While I did make a completely noobish mistake, I'm not actually a noob. I have records that put any others that I've seen on FT to shame, mostly contained in a spreadsheet composed of 18 worksheets, each of which tracks a different type of data.

I also think you misunderstood the question. I'm not asking if the CA fees count towards minimum spend. They wouldn't count towards it any more than annual fees, interest charges, or anything else. I'm asking if the actual transaction that posted as a cash advance will count towards the minimum spend. So, for example, if I put $500 in Serve, and got a $15 cash advance fee, have I completed $500 of my minimum spend, or $0? It's obviously not $515.

And I have, of course, read the T&C of the card, including the disclosures & additional info. One does not earn base points on cash advances, but it's not unheard of for base points & minimum spending requirements to be handled completely differently (see the wiki in this thread re: Amex minimum spend on Serve).

Hence my question here. When the answer isn't 100% clear based on the T&C (or, perhaps more often, when the CC companies don't follow their own T&C), we seek the collective wisdom of FT. That's the whole point of this forum.
You said it's a Citi card... it took me less than two minutes to find this in the current TY Preferred T&C:

Earn 20,000 bonus ThankYou® Points after qualifying purchases
To receive 20,000 bonus ThankYou Points, make $1,500 in purchases in the first 3 months of the account opening. Balance transfers, cash advances, fees, interest and items returned for credit also do not qualify as an eligible purchase.


If you have a different card, I'm sure its T&C has language that's just as clear and probably identical.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 8:42 pm
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Just want to confirm, 12/1 load posted as purchase on CSP.

/thread
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 9:57 pm
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Had the CSP load code as a purchase but my CA limit is still down that amount. Interesting.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 11:23 pm
  #8218  
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was just approved for the AMEX Gold Business card... anyone have any recent experience on whether the load will count towards minimum spend or not? Worst case is I go a different route but figured it would be nice to get $1500 per month via serve.
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Old Dec 3, 2014, 12:25 am
  #8219  
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Originally Posted by Dad to GO
was just approved for the AMEX Gold Business card... anyone have any recent experience on whether the load will count towards minimum spend or not? Worst case is I go a different route but figured it would be nice to get $1500 per month via serve.
Have you read the previous page? Post 8201 should be enough for you to determine whether it counts or not.
While not identical card but same bank, same card type (in house charge card), I would say it should yield same outcome.

Why people dont read before ask questions?
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Old Dec 3, 2014, 4:45 am
  #8220  
 
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Originally Posted by Happy
Since a week or 10 days ago, I do not receive Bill Pay confirmation emails any more. They used to come within a minute or 2. Now they dont even come even after many hours.

Called into Serve the rep can see the bill pays are scheduled. Could not explain why there is no email confirmation.

Email address on account obviously is active and good because it is the one used to log in, and also all the loads got confirmations promptly.

Has anyone experienced this "technical difficulties" that seem to be an ongoing issue?
The same problem here. Payments are getting made but no email confirmation when the payment is scheduled. First time it happened was couple of weeks ago.
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