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This is the Serve thread. Post questions or information concerning other topics in the appropriate threads elsewhere in this forum.

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

Mentions of Softcard (formerly ISIS) are purely incidental to setting up and using Serve/Softcard. Softcard does not hold money, and you cannot load to it.


You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.


Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD


Normal Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Serve/Softcard Check if your phone/network is compatible
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

The SD card in the iPhone case used for Softcard is account specific. Once an account has been registered to a card, it cannot be used for another.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.


Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

As of 10/09/14, coding of credit card loads changed. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as before; see below for information on point earning. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
  • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Discover

Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express (May count toward minimum spend)

Posts as a cash advance:
For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

Several people have reported no problems with loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card. YMMV.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval.


Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal*, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.


Switching to Serve or Serve/Softcard
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching to Serve/Softcard
  1. Call up Bluebird or Serve and close account. Make sure your account is at $0.00 before calling. Just close it, don't ask for a temp Serve or anything. CSR will say account is now closed and you have 30 days to change your mind should you decide to re-open it.
  2. Download the Softcard mobile app from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. If you're an iPhone user you have to buy the NFC CashWrap case from your carrier store.
  3. Launch Softcard Mobile App and create Softcard account. You'll be asked if you want to open a Serve account; Yes you do. Start the registration through Softcard mobile app for a Serve account, once you are finished you will be told you will receive an Email from Amex with your account approval. I waited a few hours and called Serve customer service like the wiki says and completed the registration.
  4. Once I got off the phone with Serve I received an email from Serve where I verified my account and email; at this point Amex Serve is open.
  5. Launch Softcard Mobile app again click add new
  6. Activate card with Softcard and select Amex Serve. Follow the instructions & you're good to add. Once this is complete a Serve Card will populate in Softcard. Must activate physical card to get full load limits. Check account status and it automatically credits to your serve account based on who you signed up with. (Verizon - $25, T-Mobile - $50, AT&T - $30 (For AT&T: Get $15 w/activation. Earn additional $15 w/account replenishment))

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
  2. Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
  3. at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
  4. get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
  5. after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
  6. I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
  7. CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
  8. at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
  9. after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
  10. CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318



Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.


Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement



For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 1:02 pm
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FD has $10.4B in revenue... and it has 8100 stores.

thats an avg daily sales of $3500 per store aka chump change. I've liquidated more than that in the span of 30 mins than they take-in over the course of a day on avg.

regardless, the point was they are NOT used to large transactions. what part of that dont you get? they are not used to it. period. end of discussion.

why would you assume their registers would be coded any diff when they've never seen anything of the sort before?

they dont sell high value items and they dont sell in huge bulk quantities like Costco. hell, one time I had a $5 off $25 coupon for FD, and I had trouble buying anything worth a total of $25 there.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 2:03 pm
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Data point - loaded 2 consecutive $500 to Serve @ FD and it froze the register immediately after the 2nd load. 3 managers/asst managers didn't know how to cancel the transaction after the fraud alert popped up and they decided to take out the power cord and plug back in but no help. Money has been withdrawn from the VGC but no money deposit into Serve and managers wanted me to come back on Monday morning to refund money back to me as they couldn't do anything at that time.

So just a warning for folks loading @ FD - don't ever do the second load even with cash (managers told me another lady experienced same thing to me even with cash).
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by DziVang
Data point - loaded 2 consecutive $500 to Serve @ FD and it froze the register immediately after the 2nd load. 3 managers/asst managers didn't know how to cancel the transaction after the fraud alert popped up and they decided to take out the power cord and plug back in but no help. Money has been withdrawn from the VGC but no money deposit into Serve and managers wanted me to come back on Monday morning to refund money back to me as they couldn't do anything at that time.

So just a warning for folks loading @ FD - don't ever do the second load even with cash (managers told me another lady experienced same thing to me even with cash).
Yep... Not suprised at all.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 5:40 pm
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waiting period for closing BB then switching to Serve?

For people who have a BB account and switch to Serve, is there still a 30 day waiting period before you can open the Serve account? I saw reference to a software update that now allows you to open an account sooner, but it didn't contain many details.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by LWT3
For people who have a BB account and switch to Serve, is there still a 30 day waiting period before you can open the Serve account? I saw reference to a software update that now allows you to open an account sooner, but it didn't contain many details.
Isis serve. No wait. I closed my BB on a Friday and opened Isis serve saturday Make sure BB has zero balance before closing
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 6:38 pm
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Originally Posted by metoo
Isis serve. No wait. I closed my BB on a Friday and opened Isis serve saturday Make sure BB has zero balance before closing
Thanks. Mine will be a regular Serve account, but I'll try registering for Serve tomorrow morning (I closed BB today).
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 9:19 pm
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Originally Posted by clockhand
For FD loads, is $500 limit per store or per day?
Data point: I experimented with this question today. I went to one store, loaded $500 on my Serve no problem. I tried another $500- no go, and it even blocked the register until I swiped my GC again to "void" it out- which was reported above as well. The reason, I think, is that the transaction originally is approved, but then gets declined at a later stage in the process (the reason I think this is because my pinpad screen originally flashes "approved", then there are a bunch of fast moving lines, and only then is there "declined" at the end) but only after the money is pulled from the debit card, so the register needs to refund this money with another swipe. This is confirmed when I log in to my OV online- it shows a $500 pull followed by a $500 refund.
In any event, I then drove to another FD store not 3 minutes away, loaded the SAME Serve card with $500, and it went through no problem.

So, it seems that the $500 limit is per store per day, not per day total, so at least that's good.

The only thing left to figure out is the "per card" part of it- there are reports that even loading a different card one after the other triggers a block, similar to WM at $2k. So it would help to know how long one needs to wait before trying a second card at the same store. I only have one Serve card as of now (though that's about to change now obviously once my wife switches over ) so I haven't been able to experiment.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 9:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Domat
You did notice that the thought experiment starts on my post 4864 where I said I successfully did multiple loads right after another right?

Forever gave a warning with no details but I presume it really has nothing to do with what Eric was talking about. Probably just 2 tries of 500 which we know doesn't work.

4905 and 4906 have nothing to do with that original thought experiment.


Pay more attention when you read would help you learn more.
Yup you got it correct. I only started thinking about it after post 4864. Again the others that are responding keep quoting the revenue of the company which is not relevant. The fact is even CVS loading with Serve earlier this year was not geared towards a whole bunch of $500 loads either even though they have a higher revenue number. The main point is that at some date in the future they should consider revising its POS system to be a little bit more lenient so it doesn't lock up so easily if they are going to be a place to load Serve. This is just not efficient. Also the FD employee said that sometimes the POS system will get flagged for fraud even for something small if you buy X number of Coca Cola bottles which is why he wasn't surprised when it locks up. Obviously there is something really screwy with their POS systems.

Either way its pointless arguing about it. The best thing to do is let it play out since it started recently. Just for the record, nobody including myself is advocating that we should be able to load more than $500/day on the same Serve card. Its just that if a new Serve card is scanned the velocity limit should not be triggered since it should be assumed its a new person. That is all. We don't even know the velocity limit timeout. If its something like 15 mins, I guess its ok but if its like 1 hour then that is too long.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by CtownMilesAddict
Data point: I experimented with this question today. I went to one store, loaded $500 on my Serve no problem. I tried another $500- no go, and it even blocked the register until I swiped my GC again to "void" it out- which was reported above as well. The reason, I think, is that the transaction originally is approved, but then gets declined at a later stage in the process (the reason I think this is because my pinpad screen originally flashes "approved", then there are a bunch of fast moving lines, and only then is there "declined" at the end) but only after the money is pulled from the debit card, so the register needs to refund this money with another swipe. This is confirmed when I log in to my OV online- it shows a $500 pull followed by a $500 refund.
In any event, I then drove to another FD store not 3 minutes away, loaded the SAME Serve card with $500, and it went through no problem.

So, it seems that the $500 limit is per store per day, not per day total, so at least that's good.

The only thing left to figure out is the "per card" part of it- there are reports that even loading a different card one after the other triggers a block, similar to WM at $2k. So it would help to know how long one needs to wait before trying a second card at the same store. I only have one Serve card as of now (though that's about to change now obviously once my wife switches over ) so I haven't been able to experiment.
Its not a "per card" basis. Trust me I experimented with this yesterday. I loaded $500 on Serve "A" card and then tried to load $500 on Serve "B" card and it wouldn't take it. My only guess is that despite it being a different Serve card it triggers a Serve load velocity limit and it takes X amount of time before it gets reset.

Btw I did run into the same issue with you on the 2nd transaction where the card reader says "approved" and then quickly says "declined". I also had to reswipe the OV card to have the funds refunded to my OV.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by ericdabbs
Its not a "per card" basis. Trust me I experimented with this yesterday. I loaded $500 on Serve "A" card and then tried to load $500 on Serve "B" card and it wouldn't take it.

Yes, I know this happened to you- I already knew it was not a per card basis, I even said so in my post:

Originally Posted by CtownMilesAddict
there are reports that even loading a different card one after the other triggers a block, similar to WM at $2k.
The "reports" I am referring to you are yours! I guess you didn't read my whole post, hehe :-)

My only question on that issue was, how long it takes until that velocity limit resets itself. 10 min? 15? Since I don't have a second Serve card yet, I couldn't experiment. And, while I would like to get data points and experiments on that issue, the truth is, now that I know how much the register spazzes after a second load, my strong advice to everyone is DO NOT even try a second load at all. Not only because of the unwanted eyes and attention and inconveniencing the other people in line, but also because it seems that in some cases, after the decline, the re-swipe and refund isn't always so smooth, and this could lead to money being pulled off the OV without it being in Serve, which could mean quite the pain until you get the money back. So it could be that for now we should just not push it, enjoy the new avenue, and see how it plays out a little longer- despite my curiosity on the time for the velocity limit to reset.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by CtownMilesAddict
Data point: I experimented with this question today. I went to one store, loaded $500 on my Serve no problem. I tried another $500- no go, and it even blocked the register until I swiped my GC again to "void" it out- which was reported above as well. The reason, I think, is that the transaction originally is approved, but then gets declined at a later stage in the process (the reason I think this is because my pinpad screen originally flashes "approved", then there are a bunch of fast moving lines, and only then is there "declined" at the end) but only after the money is pulled from the debit card, so the register needs to refund this money with another swipe. This is confirmed when I log in to my OV online- it shows a $500 pull followed by a $500 refund.
In any event, I then drove to another FD store not 3 minutes away, loaded the SAME Serve card with $500, and it went through no problem.

So, it seems that the $500 limit is per store per day, not per day total, so at least that's good.

The only thing left to figure out is the "per card" part of it- there are reports that even loading a different card one after the other triggers a block, similar to WM at $2k. So it would help to know how long one needs to wait before trying a second card at the same store. I only have one Serve card as of now (though that's about to change now obviously once my wife switches over ) so I haven't been able to experiment.
Exactly my case as well. The register showed approved and debited money from my VGC but then later on the process said "fraud alert" so manager asked me to swipe my VGC again to refund the money but it never went through and the register got frozen. The only difference between your situation and mine is that you used OV rather than VGC.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by CtownMilesAddict
So, it seems that the $500 limit is per store per day, not per day total, so at least that's good.
This comports with velocity limit theory.

Whether its per register or per store, and daily or has some timer is to be seen.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by ericdabbs
I thought the July 31st promo is for new Serve customers for the spend $25 get $25. The $50 DD promo was always advertised on the Serve website.

https://www.serve.com/serveforamex/
Do we have to physically swipe the serve card for $25 promo? I assume we have to use debit option.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 11:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Jabadski
(Apr 28, 14, 7:25 pm) Sorry if this is common knowledge but as with mattp1987 I also cannot find the answer. Understood that loading Serve with AmEx does not earn points or cashback but do those amounts count toward minimum spends?
Based on my very recent experiences with an AmEx SPG card, I agree that Serve on-line loading ($200/day, $1000/month) is treated as purchase and does not earn points. However, those loads were credited toward the minimum spend ($5000 in 6 months) for the 15,000 bonus Starpoints. About a week ago I went over a total of $5000 on the card, including $1000 in Serve loads last month. (Had to try, kinda like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz - some things you gotta learn for yourself.) The 15,000 bonus Starpoints were credited to my SPG account this week.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 11:33 pm
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Definitely something screwy with their registers. All this talk of POS freezing past a $500 load reminds me when I tried buying 2 VGCs. The transaction was approved and then the info that flashed on the card reader seemed to repeat itself. The transaction was auto-reversed.

I never tried to buy a single VGC there. Now I'm curious.
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