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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:07 pm
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BBC summarising all of the theories and speculations that circulate on the net re the missing plane:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26609687
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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:10 pm
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This drop down was shown several times on the Sky News UK today.. I was specifically waiting for the repeat and it did repeat the same story..

45000 - 5000 - 35 000

It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
I've not seen a reliable named source for those altitudes and the Malaysian authorities have publicly questioned the reports. Even if those heights were correct, haven't some pilots speculated that throttle hold on the autopilot could account for this in an "unmanned" situation.

I suspect until the wreck is found we'll never know the truth, I just hope it's found quickly and the relatives don't have the agonizing wait that occurred with the AF crash.
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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:12 pm
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Originally Posted by userasc View Post
This drop down was shown several times on the Sky News UK today.. I was specifically waiting for the repeat and it did repeat the same story..

45000 - 5000 - 35 000

It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
Isn't this data from the primary military radar without the transponder sending the altitude? Not sure what the reliability of such altitude estimates are. I don't see how the plane would have survived such a manuever structurally in the time frame of that manuever. Is it possible that the reality was a 5000 ft drop from 45000, possibly from a stall, a recovery back to 35,000 ft and is being misreported?
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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by venk View Post
Isn't this data from the primary military radar without the transponder sending the altitude? Not sure what the reliability of such altitude estimates are. I don't see how the plane would have survived such a manuever structurally in the time frame of that manuever. Is it possible that the reality was a 5000 ft drop from 45000, possibly from a stall, a recovery back to 35,000 ft and is being misreported?
Also 45k is above the ceiling of the 777 which was explained in detail on the other thread. There is a good deal of error in these measurements and the Malaysian authorities have said as much. Unfortunately all of the uncertainty disappears in the reporting.
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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:25 pm
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Originally Posted by userasc View Post
This drop down was shown several times on the Sky News UK today.. I was specifically waiting for the repeat and it did repeat the same story..

45000 - 5000 - 35 000

It would be really useful to have a pilot clarify what this manoeuvre means after the turn back..
http://news.sky.com/story/1228537/mi...xplain-mystery
IF, (and as far as I can see at the moment, this has not been categorically substantiated) this occurred, there are a myriad of explanations. One of which could be (again for a myriad of reasons) a total loss of controls to ailerons, rudder etc and therefore yoke, yaw, attitude, altitude etc becomes virtually impossible to control. The only real tool then at your disposal, is the throttle.

If the plane starts to ascend, back the throttles off to slow the airspeed and the plane (if it doesn't totally stall and uncontrollably drop) will start to descend. Once the plane starts to descend, it picks up speed, creates lift, descent slows and possibly will start to ascend again. Couple this with a pilot manually manipulating the throttles in an effort to assist this action in order to control the planes vertical and horizontal movements and the resulting flight path would most likely be an up down wave pattern and theoretically could replicate 45,000 - 5,000 - 35,000 repeat repeat repeat.

Then again, 45,000 - 5,000 - 35,000 may never of actually happened.

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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:39 pm
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Two questions that I haven't seen answered directly before:

1. Can a pilot intentionally depressurize an airplane at cruise altitude? Could the pilot have access to oxygen to stay alive while the oxygen available to passengers runs out.

2. People keep talking about passengers trying to make calls on cell phones, but even without trying to make calls, cell phones that are on will try to contact towers on the ground. If the contact is successful and a connection is established, the phone identifies itself to the tower and that information is recorded by the tower. Has there been any word from authorities that they have searched the phone records of all passengers and found that no pings occurred at any cell towers in the region (Indonesia, Central Asia etc.) after the flight took off?
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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:40 pm
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ive read several extra pages now on different sites and watched news channels. why is the flight path different on a few of them?

surely everyones looking at the same data?
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Old Mar 19, 14, 8:46 pm
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When you think the things cannot get more strange..

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...efence-company
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:36 pm
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Some debris being checked by Aussies, briefing 1615 UTC March 20.
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:37 pm
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CNN Breaking News 10:30 PM Dallas, Texas Time

CNN now reporting that Australia PM is going to announce that they may have found two pieces of debris located near Australia.

Approximately 1400 miles east of Perth, Australia.
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by freeupgrade View Post
March 19, 2014

CNN Breaking News 10:30 PM Dallas, Texas Time

CNN now reporting that Australia PM is going to announce that they may have found two pieces of debris located near Australia.

Approximately 1400 miles east of Perth, Australia.
West, surely ?
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:47 pm
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bbc just said theyre sending a plane to check it out but wont be there till thursday afternoon. i guess thats uk time so 9 hours + away.
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:47 pm
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Originally Posted by pspercy View Post
West, surely ?
Yes, definately west.....cause it sure aint in my back yard!
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:47 pm
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...320-354ij.html

This might mean the shut down on this thread, if it really is the wreckage (well, it may take quite a while to end the speculation with fact)
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Old Mar 19, 14, 9:48 pm
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If it is found here, it seems that the plane flew till it ran out of juice, either due to some technical issue or possibly something along the lines of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961
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