halls120

SOSUS was (and maybe still is) concentrated at various choke points of the ocean. I don't believe the USN ever had the entire ocean "wired" for sound.

adamj023

Actually that is true. If you understand Wave Physics and Wave Acoustics and Autec, which is a military research base for underwater activities, you fully understand that a plane crash in the ocean would produce an acoustic signature.

So that is another reason the government is NOT telling the truth. A plane does not go missing from underwater to in the sky or on land. From satellite (post project Corona) with advantage imaging for land based situations or with technologies to monitor the water, and so on and so forth, this whole story is being covered up from the getgo and all the information via the internet channels or mass media are not forthcoming.

Today we all take for granted satellite imagery for free which is poor grade declassified technologies and yet digitalglobe which is a commercial satellite imagery firm, was having people search for the plane using its own data. Governments purposely limit the nature of the time on these satellites as well as image resolution.

Something is horribly amiss here.

Flaflyer

Assume the plane took the northern route and landed at an improvised runway in a country that ends in "stan." OBL and his friends are known for having long term plans and taking years to accomplish a single task. And the B!n L*d!n family business is heavy construction. A few bulldozers at night could make an airstrip on some hard ground.

US and NATO forces have been paying private contractors for 10 years to deliver fuel by truck (at up to $400 per gallon delivered so I have read--your tax dollars at work) into Afghanistan and some of this is turbine fuel for helicopters. If the locals steal 20 gallons a day for a few years they have enough to refuel a jumbo jet and no one will miss it. Many fuel trucks have been burned in attacks, and no one knows if that burning truck had 1000 instead of 5000 gallons in it when the RPG hit it.

I am sure much turbine fuel is "diverted" all the time as kerosene is used for cooking and heating fuel in rural areas worldwide. Jet fuel is just high grade kerosene with additives to not freeze at FL400. Works great in a cook stove.

What I know for sure about this plane: It is missing, and it did not have enough fuel to reach Howland Island.

concernedpublic

There were a fair few planes around, not least SQ68 that it was thought MH470 may have shadowed. Here's just. Before disappearance. Cancel playback and set new playback time to circa 1800 UTC to see the SQ68 departing presumably not too far from MH370 as we are led to believe.

http://fr24.com/2014-03-07/17:21/12x/MAS370/2d81a27

Boraxo

Why isn't China doing more to assist with the search? More than half the missing passengers are Chinese nationals. China supposedly has a large navy now, but I guess they are incompetent or incapable of mobilizing on short notice. I don't understand why USA, Australia and NZ are expected to provide the bulk of resources for the search effort. Maybe China can reimburse us from the billions that it receives in forex every year. Seems like Malaysia can also pay up since they are requesting even more aid from the USA for the search.

Honestly this is not our problem. Yes, I am sympathetic to the passengers' families, but I find it hard to justify spending millions of tax $$$ taken from working people here to search the ocean for a missing airplane that has zero links to the USA (excepting 3 passengers). This is not a humanitarian mission like saving millions of refugees from the scourge of war, natural disaster etc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...f19_story.html

Maluku_Flyer

The missing plane is a Boeing. There's your connection.

hobo13

1. This could very well become our problem if there is a rouge 777 out there. 'Have you forgotten??' Even if not our problem directly, it will be used against one of our allies, and thus become OUR problem indirectly. Why do you think OZ is taking over the search of south Indian Ocean?

2. Yes, there is a cost. But it's not as much as you think. The SAR operations just displace other 'regularly scheduled' activities that our Navy was going to undertake. It's not all incremental. You can either spend your time training for a SAR mission, or you can actually perform a SAR mission -- either way, you pay the troops, and you burn fuel.

It's similar to how the public sees Air Force flyovers of sporting events as 'wasted taxpayer dollars' when the reality is that those fighter pilots were going to go booming somewhere that day one way or the other.... it's just a matter of whether you get the pleasure of watching them!

JDiver

Er, not sure what you're going on about. China has military ships, and aircraft searching Chinese terrain and, at least a week age, had dedicated satellite resources. What more would you suggest?

brett1982

1. NO it wasnt a terrorist attack so stop thinking about it. theres no one claiming they usually do, no reported terrorists linked to the passengers list. and if so someone would of sent some kind of communication, phone/text or otherwise.

2. NO it wasnt a suicide. theres too many ppl onboard that could of stopped him, and from his friends this is something he wouldnt do.

with that in mind it only leaves an accident. not a large accident or debris of been found straight away. nor was it a long known accident or someone would of communicated much like the terrorist idea.
any other alarmed problem would of been reported as im fairly certain its standard protocol to radio in major faults.


This only leaves a progressive accident that went undetected by any alarm on the plane until it was TOO late. (slow decompression on a "red eye" shift)

siankaan1

A better argument against suicide is that no one spends 7-8 hours committing suicide, and this is far too complex a way to do it. You'd just fly the plane into the ground or the water and be done with it.

brett1982

correct

84fiero

I think you're referring to the F-117 stealth fighter that was shot down in Kosovo. No B-2 stealth bomber has crashed, in China or elsewhere. Nor is there any evidence that China (or anyone else) reverse engineered a F-117 to produce their own version.

So you're suggesting that China Southern captured this aircraft in order to reverse engineer...their own 777? ...modernized parts for their 777? That doesn't make any sense, financially or otherwise.

- Air Asia doesn't have "ATC recordings" - only ATC facilities have recordings of the communications on their respective frequencies (aside from CVRs).

- I thought the Captain was married and I hadn't heard that he had a girlfriend who was a pilot for another airline. But if that is all correct, why would that indicate a plot by Air Asia to do something nefarious with this aircraft?

- How on earth would other pilots be visually locating, or routinely photographing, other aircraft as they fly at 30,000ft+ with miles of separation between them?

- "cameras in the area"? Where? There aren't traffic cameras or red light cameras in the sky.

brett1982

i still think the auto pilot took them out to sea, when they are all already dead via lack of oxygen. they were flying at night, they felt tired they thought it was natural.

ppl are saying about a mayday call. but that greece flight didnt make a mayday call. well it did but it was on the wrong frequency so no one heard it. it is possible that after he said goodnight he changed the frequecy then turned around in the confusion of oxygen deprivation and forgot to turn it back. actually made a mayday call that no one heard. but collapsed.??? leaving the auto pilot to continue the flight.

he may of actually done anything during his confusion, miss typed something into the computer either way a route was being taken by the auto pilot. so this route will be known.

match up the way points find its path follow it and you will find it.

netd

Have to agree, most likely we're looking at a situation like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522 tragedy. Very sad, and lets hope they locate the wreckage and get some closure to this terrible incident.

brett1982

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

i think it has simularities with this crash.