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Old Mar 9, 2023, 10:55 pm
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Originally Posted by canadianhockey91
It's overly dramatic and very conspiracy theory driven. A lot of people wanting to believe their theories. It was ok...but I prefer mayday much more as it is not made to create more drama and bs.
I was considering watching after my (77W) flights next week based on the reviews here and the internet at large, but now I'm inclined to give it a pass.
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Old Mar 14, 2023, 4:15 pm
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Phone calls

How is it passenger phones were still ringing what at least 6/7 hours after taking off and leaving cell service? Surely this means phones are on and still within range of a cell tower. I have a very wild theory but unsure if it is entirely possible but certainly sure at a government/military level could be possible. Which is why the early days are very shady from Malaysian authorities as they did not expect this to be worldwide news within hours of its expected arrival time in China, yet things suddenly become clear as other authorities get involved
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Old Mar 14, 2023, 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Sam.115
How is it passenger phones were still ringing what at least 6/7 hours after taking off and leaving cell service? Surely this means phones are on and still within range of a cell tower. I have a very wild theory but unsure if it is entirely possible but certainly sure at a government/military level could be possible. Which is why the early days are very shady from Malaysian authorities as they did not expect this to be worldwide news within hours of its expected arrival time in China, yet things suddenly become clear as other authorities get involved
Depending on the phone system, it's possible for the caller to hear ringing without any connection existing to the called party. The ringing is (always?) generated by the network, not the called phone.
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Old Mar 14, 2023, 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Sam.115
How is it passenger phones were still ringing what at least 6/7 hours after taking off and leaving cell service?
What leads yu to believe that passenger phones were still ringing?
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Old Mar 14, 2023, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
What leads yu to believe that passenger phones were still ringing?
That is one of the 'facts' presented in the 'documentary'..
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Old Apr 23, 2023, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by Sam.115
How is it passenger phones were still ringing what at least 6/7 hours after taking off and leaving cell service? Surely this means phones are on and still within range of a cell tower.
Your assumption is wrong.
If you are interested you can learn about 'short stopping' here: https://www.gsma.com/membership/reso...-destinations/

But the much more simple explanation is how phone networks actually work and the fact that they don't require a remote phone to be connected and/or ring to have the local phone play out a ring tone.
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Old Apr 23, 2023, 9:12 am
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Originally Posted by SKT-DK
That is one of the 'facts' presented in the 'documentary'..
You might call it a crockumentary.
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Old Apr 23, 2023, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by El_Duderito
Your assumption is wrong.
If you are interested you can learn about 'short stopping' here: https://www.gsma.com/membership/reso...-destinations/

But the much more simple explanation is how phone networks actually work and the fact that they don't require a remote phone to be connected and/or ring to have the local phone play out a ring tone.
My wife worked in the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Sometime shortly after September 11, 2001 she told me to call her office phone. Yep, voicemail still working. I assume it was offsite somewhere but it was still creepy.
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Old Jun 22, 2023, 3:36 pm
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Hey - what routes did Zaharie Ahmad Shah usually operate in for MH?

Did they release the list of previous flights/routes that he took prior to Mar 08 2014?
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Old Sep 4, 2023, 10:21 pm
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Stop me if you’ve heard this before…How many times now have “amateur sleuths/scientists/electronics experts/etc.” found new evidence showing exactly where the plane is?

Fwiw, the two “we found it” announcements this week are 2,500+ miles apart.


March 2023 - researcher claims to have solved a key riddle in establishing what happened to Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 - and is confident in where it landed.

December 2021 - British aeronautical engineer, who has spent more than a year working on the disaster, thinks he has calculated where MH370 crashed.

April 2017 - New analysis reiterates plane's likely location

etc.

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Old Sep 5, 2023, 6:58 am
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Pics or it didnt happen.
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Old Sep 5, 2023, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by 7478i
Hey - what routes did Zaharie Ahmad Shah usually operate in for MH?

Did they release the list of previous flights/routes that he took prior to Mar 08 2014?
There was also another pilot in the cockpit. The crew also have codes to enter the cockpit on some airlines for sure. Not sure if MH was one of them. The only thing that is sure is that it went down. But how did a 777 disappear and no trace of it was found? Too many odd issues too.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 11:57 pm
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Indeed - way too many odd issues.
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Old Nov 4, 2023, 10:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Davvidd
There was also another pilot in the cockpit. The crew also have codes to enter the cockpit on some airlines for sure. Not sure if MH was one of them. The only thing that is sure is that it went down. But how did a 777 disappear and no trace of it was found? Too many odd issues too.
On some airlines, if not most, the occupant of the flight deck can override the ability to gain entry by using the code, so he/she can restrict the ability to gain entry.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nes-questioned

Most airlines now require a second individual to enter the flight deck if one of two pilots needs to leave, for say a toilet break.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35802645

The problem of not being able to lock from the inside, it that a access can be obtained, using violence if necessary, from the pilot that has entered the cabin and the individual in the flight deck would be powerless to prevent it.

Originally Posted by JAL750
Australia's DSTG studied all the telemetry from MH370 between 1:21am & 2:25am and concluded MH370 suffered catastrophic electrical failure.
Had either pilot switched off the ADS-B Satcom in the cockpit then a device called the SDU would have ADS-B Satcom log off request to the satellite. MH370 never sent a log -off request.

At 02:25am, MH370 generated a log on request which would only happen in the event of ELMS rebooting the electrics after complete power failure.

The SDU operated off MH370's Left AC Bus relay DSTG concluded pilots were unable to use the transfer bus to power the aircraft. It is most likely the Air Supply Cabin Pressure Controller (ASCPC) was disabled causing the cabin to depressurize at FL350.
There was another 08:19 log-on message - nearly six hours later. An explanation for this is that when the fuel ran out, power was temporally lost, the auxiliary power unit automatically started, the SDU restarted and sent its, "Hullo I'm here" message. So whatever the "catastrophic" electrical failure was, it didn't stop the plane from flying for quite a few hours.

I've not seen the report you refer to, but while I can see switching off ADS-B Satcom in the flight deck would cause a log off request to be sent, what if you simulated a catastrophic power failure, by cutting off the power to the ADS-B Satcom by other means. Does the report consider this?

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Old Nov 5, 2023, 5:25 am
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Non of the officials report make any sense and no reports say the same thing. There sure is some untowards situation with the aircraft. There certainly was a military exercise going on in that area at the same time so surely they would have seen it.
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