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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Mar 9, 23, 11:55 pm
#1891
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I was considering watching after my (77W) flights next week based on the reviews here and the internet at large, but now I'm inclined to give it a pass.
Mar 14, 23, 5:15 pm
#1892
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Phone calls
How is it passenger phones were still ringing what at least 6/7 hours after taking off and leaving cell service? Surely this means phones are on and still within range of a cell tower. I have a very wild theory but unsure if it is entirely possible but certainly sure at a government/military level could be possible. Which is why the early days are very shady from Malaysian authorities as they did not expect this to be worldwide news within hours of its expected arrival time in China, yet things suddenly become clear as other authorities get involved
Mar 14, 23, 5:38 pm
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How is it passenger phones were still ringing what at least 6/7 hours after taking off and leaving cell service? Surely this means phones are on and still within range of a cell tower. I have a very wild theory but unsure if it is entirely possible but certainly sure at a government/military level could be possible. Which is why the early days are very shady from Malaysian authorities as they did not expect this to be worldwide news within hours of its expected arrival time in China, yet things suddenly become clear as other authorities get involved
Mar 14, 23, 5:40 pm
#1894
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u to believe that passenger phones were still ringing?
Mar 15, 23, 12:02 am
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Apr 23, 23, 8:27 am
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If you are interested you can learn about 'short stopping' here: https://www.gsma.com/membership/reso...-destinations/
But the much more simple explanation is how phone networks actually work and the fact that they don't require a remote phone to be connected and/or ring to have the local phone play out a ring tone.
Apr 23, 23, 10:12 am
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Apr 23, 23, 10:56 am
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Your assumption is wrong.
If you are interested you can learn about 'short stopping' here: https://www.gsma.com/membership/reso...-destinations/
But the much more simple explanation is how phone networks actually work and the fact that they don't require a remote phone to be connected and/or ring to have the local phone play out a ring tone.
If you are interested you can learn about 'short stopping' here: https://www.gsma.com/membership/reso...-destinations/
But the much more simple explanation is how phone networks actually work and the fact that they don't require a remote phone to be connected and/or ring to have the local phone play out a ring tone.
Sep 4, 23, 11:21 pm
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Stop me if you’ve heard this before…How many times now have “amateur sleuths/scientists/electronics experts/etc.” found new evidence showing exactly where the plane is?
Fwiw, the two “we found it” announcements this week are 2,500+ miles apart.
March 2023 - researcher claims to have solved a key riddle in establishing what happened to Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 - and is confident in where it landed.
December 2021 - British aeronautical engineer, who has spent more than a year working on the disaster, thinks he has calculated where MH370 crashed.
April 2017 - New analysis reiterates plane's likely location
etc.
Fwiw, the two “we found it” announcements this week are 2,500+ miles apart.
March 2023 - researcher claims to have solved a key riddle in establishing what happened to Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 - and is confident in where it landed.
December 2021 - British aeronautical engineer, who has spent more than a year working on the disaster, thinks he has calculated where MH370 crashed.
April 2017 - New analysis reiterates plane's likely location
etc.
Last edited by CPRich; Sep 4, 23 at 11:33 pm
Sep 5, 23, 9:25 am
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There was also another pilot in the cockpit. The crew also have codes to enter the cockpit on some airlines for sure. Not sure if MH was one of them. The only thing that is sure is that it went down. But how did a 777 disappear and no trace of it was found? Too many odd issues too.
Nov 4, 23, 11:04 pm
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There was also another pilot in the cockpit. The crew also have codes to enter the cockpit on some airlines for sure. Not sure if MH was one of them. The only thing that is sure is that it went down. But how did a 777 disappear and no trace of it was found? Too many odd issues too.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nes-questioned
Most airlines now require a second individual to enter the flight deck if one of two pilots needs to leave, for say a toilet break.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35802645
The problem of not being able to lock from the inside, it that a access can be obtained, using violence if necessary, from the pilot that has entered the cabin and the individual in the flight deck would be powerless to prevent it.
Nov 4, 23, 11:32 pm
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Australia's DSTG studied all the telemetry from MH370 between 1:21am & 2:25am and concluded MH370 suffered catastrophic electrical failure.
Had either pilot switched off the ADS-B Satcom in the cockpit then a device called the SDU would have ADS-B Satcom log off request to the satellite. MH370 never sent a log -off request.
At 02:25am, MH370 generated a log on request which would only happen in the event of ELMS rebooting the electrics after complete power failure.
The SDU operated off MH370's Left AC Bus relay DSTG concluded pilots were unable to use the transfer bus to power the aircraft. It is most likely the Air Supply Cabin Pressure Controller (ASCPC) was disabled causing the cabin to depressurize at FL350.
Had either pilot switched off the ADS-B Satcom in the cockpit then a device called the SDU would have ADS-B Satcom log off request to the satellite. MH370 never sent a log -off request.
At 02:25am, MH370 generated a log on request which would only happen in the event of ELMS rebooting the electrics after complete power failure.
The SDU operated off MH370's Left AC Bus relay DSTG concluded pilots were unable to use the transfer bus to power the aircraft. It is most likely the Air Supply Cabin Pressure Controller (ASCPC) was disabled causing the cabin to depressurize at FL350.
I've not seen the report you refer to, but while I can see switching off ADS-B Satcom in the flight deck would cause a log off request to be sent, what if you simulated a catastrophic power failure, by cutting off the power to the ADS-B Satcom by other means. Does the report consider this?
