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Old Jul 29, 15, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by jk88usa View Post
Thanks for clarifying...sorry to get so rushed. Do they print those on parts b/c why else would the authorities come out with that number?
Maybe they say the access panel number and assumed it to be the P/N. The access panel number will be more prominent than a P/N so that an AME can find the panel quickly.

Boeing P/Ns are quite small in general, unless it's a really old airframe where the P/N might have been written on the part by a person somewhere in the assembly process.
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Old Jul 29, 15, 2:57 pm
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NOT ME, but some other guy on Airliners.net posted this:
Nice job digging that up!

I still wonder though if they found a number 670BB or BB670 or just 670 (whatever it is) on the plane, it just seems like too much of a coincidence to not hold some lead...also, again speculation and who knows, but just looking at the photos compared to the debris makes it look remarkably similar...
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Old Jul 29, 15, 2:58 pm
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Thats the number, similar to the flap P/N... slice that down the middle and you'll find it looks like what they found on the island.
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Old Jul 29, 15, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by jk88usa View Post
It's there... just search "220" in the search query in the link and then click the last result that shows up (scroll down to the bottom)....

Also BB670 was reported by the local french newspaper and then the UK ones so it's possible it was 670BB and they just mixed it up?
Page 220 or 222? Your upthread post said page 222. You appear to be number challenged.

Meanwhile, if BB670 is for real, it appears to fit the serial number nomenclature for a flaperon, based on the pic posted upthread.
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian View Post
Page 220 or 222? Your upthread post said page 222. You appear to be number challenged.

Meanwhile, if BB670 is for real, it appears to fit the serial number nomenclature for a flaperon, based on the pic posted upthread.

Sorry...I read the guy on FlightAware who posted 220 but it is 222...my mistake, I'm number challenged

Yea BB### seems to fit the serial number structure....time will tell but I think it's about as solid of a lead as we've got at this point in time
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by jk88usa View Post
Just look up 670 in the guide...I believe the BB might be the Boeing abbreviation
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I did full index search of MyBoeingFleet it's not the P/N.

P/N is 113W3003-XXX - FLAP ASSY (where XXX depends on the revision number and flap position).
I think you may be agreeing more than you realise .

The PDF divides the aircraft into zones then subzones. According to Page 201, subzone 670 is "Wing Trailing Edge Flap Fairings [Right]".

Page 223 then has various 113Wnnnn parts that appear in subzone 670, but not 113W3003. From a layman's view it appears that the parts there are individual pieces, not a full assembly

jk88usa, what was the source for the BB670 reference?
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by EsherFlyer View Post
I think you may be agreeing more than you realise .

The PDF divides the aircraft into zones then subzones. According to Page 201, subzone 670 is "Wing Trailing Edge Flap Fairings [Right]".

Page 223 then has various 113Wnnnn parts that appear in subzone 670, but not 113W3003. From a layman's view it appears that the parts there are individual pieces, not a full assembly

jk88usa, what was the source for the BB670 reference?
French aviation deal which couldn't make much sense of the numbers...I heard it hours later on CNN by a guy but we all know what that holds .... here's a link to the site, scroll towards the bottom

EDIT: More credible sources than French sketch sites...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-ai...island-1513234
Or just Google "BB670" and click on news...a whole host of articles
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:09 pm
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I know the plane this came from, I've been inside it... I actually know that poster.

Trust me if anybody knows the T7.. he does!

Originally Posted by tas246 View Post
NOT ME, but some other guy on Airliners.net posted this:
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:28 pm
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The debris appears to be part of left wing, based on the manual provided by jk88usa, major zone 500 is left wing, 600 is right wing, so if 670 is the marking on the debris, then it might not be from a 777?
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:30 pm
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The debris appears to be part of left wing, based on the manual provided by jk88usa, major zone 500 is left wing, 600 is right wing, so if 670 is the marking on the debris, then it might not be from a 777?
Just curious where do you find it's part of a left wing? I'm not saying you're wrong I just assumed nobody could tell which wing it came from just by appearance...
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:43 pm
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The AP is reporting US Officials have CONFIRMED the debris is a BOEING 777 FLAPERON (so essentially MH370)...don't worry folks, we here at FlyerTalk beat them to it

On a more serious note...what does this honestly do? I mean yea they've got a piece of the plane but it will likely raise more questions than answers...I can't imagine they'll suddenly be able to track it down in the ocean from this piece...other than dispel rumors it's not there

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ca0fe...ngs-boeing-777
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by jk88usa View Post
Just curious where do you find it's part of a left wing? I'm not saying you're wrong I just assumed nobody could tell which wing it came from just by appearance...


The P/Ns on the left are all 5xx, which indicate left wing. OTOH, these two do look remarkably similar, so if it's indeed part of left wing of 777, then BB670 might not be part of Boeing marking at all.
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:47 pm
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Ignoring the numbers, the debris does not really look like a flaperon. The trailing edge is rounded, not thin.
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jk88usa View Post
The AP is reporting US Officials have CONFIRMED the debris is a BOEING 777 FLAPERON (so essentially MH370)...don't worry folks, we here at FlyerTalk beat them to it

On a more serious note...what does this honestly do? I mean yea they've got a piece of the plane but it will likely raise more questions than answers...I can't imagine they'll suddenly be able to track it down in the ocean from this piece...other than dispel rumors it's not there
It would dispel fears that the plane was hijacked and landed somewhere for future terror use. And it would likely confirm that the plane did in fact go down somewhere in the Indian Ocean, as the satellite data suggested.
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Old Jul 29, 15, 3:53 pm
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It would dispel fears that the plane was hijacked and landed somewhere for future terror use. And it would likely confirm that the plane did in fact go down somewhere in the Indian Ocean, as the satellite data suggested.
Agreed it does that...but honestly besides the 5% of people who've believed that all along...it doesn't do much. It will bring some, albeit tragic, closure to the families, but there's still a lot to be had until they find the entire plane/cause itself.

And, while satellite data did suggest the Indian Ocean now everybody is going to question just how accurate it was on where it went down...
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