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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Mar 17, 2014, 12:41 pm
#151
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Many of the theories get too complicated for me in terms of anyone managing to plan it and then successfully pull it off. The Laws of Murphy would surely step in at some point 
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I'm sure some national powers know more than they feel able to tell in public, but may be able to soon (when they find a way to 'leak' it in a non-attributable way) or maybe never will (if they were involved in something like the unintentional destruction of the aircraft)
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I don't know enough about flying to understand what would lead to the reported altitude climb (why do that?) and course alterations being a sensible course of action, but keep getting drawn back to a ZU522 scenario of flight crew making irrational decisions following an equipment malfunction / failure, followed by deeper incapacitation. Loss of part of hull causing comms failure and decompression maybe?
.I'm sure some national powers know more than they feel able to tell in public, but may be able to soon (when they find a way to 'leak' it in a non-attributable way) or maybe never will (if they were involved in something like the unintentional destruction of the aircraft)
.I don't know enough about flying to understand what would lead to the reported altitude climb (why do that?) and course alterations being a sensible course of action, but keep getting drawn back to a ZU522 scenario of flight crew making irrational decisions following an equipment malfunction / failure, followed by deeper incapacitation. Loss of part of hull causing comms failure and decompression maybe?
Mar 17, 2014, 12:42 pm
#152
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I haven't read the other thread in this forum except the one on OMNI.
Just an idea, what about this scenario:
1. Theplane ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea close to Diego Garcia,
OR
2. The plane was forced to land on Diego, a highly restricted area.
Heck you can't even approach the other islands in a yacht, in particular Boddam island, of the Solomon group of islands in the archipelago w/o getting a visit from "you know who"
OR
3. The plane headed towards the US base, was given multiple warnings by the American forces, did not respond or change course (remember its communications systems were switched off) and was inevitably shot down
Just an idea, what about this scenario:
1. Theplane ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea close to Diego Garcia,
OR
2. The plane was forced to land on Diego, a highly restricted area.
Heck you can't even approach the other islands in a yacht, in particular Boddam island, of the Solomon group of islands in the archipelago w/o getting a visit from "you know who"
OR
3. The plane headed towards the US base, was given multiple warnings by the American forces, did not respond or change course (remember its communications systems were switched off) and was inevitably shot down
Mar 17, 2014, 12:43 pm
#153
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I'm no pilot but is Keith Ledgerwood's theory possible? could you follow a plane without it knowing... I guess they don't have their own radar, or wing mirrors? So thatmakes me think did anyone on the ground notice two planes very close together? I often look up at vapour trails, and try to work out whether it's two or 4 engines! I'm no spotter so can't work out much else! So I wonder if anyone in those countries saw something unusual?
I now understand the oil rig guy must have coincidentally seen a meteor. sounded very convincing to me so i believe he saw what he says he saw, just curve of earth too much at 400 miles distant.
I now understand the oil rig guy must have coincidentally seen a meteor. sounded very convincing to me so i believe he saw what he says he saw, just curve of earth too much at 400 miles distant.
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Mar 17, 2014, 1:02 pm
#154
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I do find it kind of scary that 200 people and a plane can just disappear like this in the 21st century! I don't know if I believe that it went underwater and crashed, it all seems a bit fishy. I mean, something must have triggered an alarm if the plane was getting out of control.
Mar 17, 2014, 1:03 pm
#155
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But more to the point, MH has said there was no standby passengers on this flight - all passengers purchased tickets for this flight either through MH or CZ. There were 4 "no shows": ticketed passengers that did not check in for one reason or another. And some people took liberty to interpret that means 4 people got on the flight as standby.
Can we drop this whole line of conspiracy theory now? The flight was not weight restricted.
Mar 17, 2014, 1:08 pm
#157
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Rarely traversed by air, or by sea, or both? Would a quiet ocean make it easier to detect the black box transponder, or are they designed to ping at a frequency that is distinctive against other background noise anyway?
Mar 17, 2014, 1:11 pm
#158
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I am not sure if this has been covered yet ( a quick search showed nothing), but FBI investigators were expressing their frustration with Malaysia's refusal for large scale help with the investigation. The insinuation is that Malaysia did not want to appear as if they don't control the situation.
The story has been covered in both European and US press.
Here is a link to one of the articles:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/wo...sive-help.html
The story has been covered in both European and US press.
Here is a link to one of the articles:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/wo...sive-help.html
Mar 17, 2014, 1:16 pm
#159
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CNN asks whether maybe God stole Flight 370
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CNN anchor Don Lemon and Decoded host Brad Meltzer bandied about the idea Sunday afternoon that something “beyond our understanding” happened to Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370, that “something” being perhaps supernatural maybe?
“Especially today, on a day when we deal with the supernatural,” Lemon said. “We go to church, the supernatural power of God…people are saying to me, why aren’t you talking about the possibility — and I’m just putting it out there — that something odd happened to this plane, something beyond our understanding?”
“Especially today, on a day when we deal with the supernatural,” Lemon said. “We go to church, the supernatural power of God…people are saying to me, why aren’t you talking about the possibility — and I’m just putting it out there — that something odd happened to this plane, something beyond our understanding?”
Mar 17, 2014, 1:17 pm
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This is an interesting theory that completely disregards the hijacking angle - as stated in the post "from a pilot's perspective"
https://plus.google.com/106271056358...ts/GoeVjHJaGBz
The theory is the left turn was a deliberate act but as a diversion to Pulau Langkawi which was the closest and easiest approach for the 777 (not back to KL). The author states that the pilots lost all communications because of fire, and never made it to the airport despite turning back (similar to Swiss Air crash near Halifax in 1998) - he notes it was a warm evening with a heavy plane, and a tire fire or electrical fire could have been the culprit. As to how it kept flying, the author notes:
It's not a theory that fits nicely into a CNN "Breaking News" update, but I think it could be very plausible.
https://plus.google.com/106271056358...ts/GoeVjHJaGBz
The theory is the left turn was a deliberate act but as a diversion to Pulau Langkawi which was the closest and easiest approach for the 777 (not back to KL). The author states that the pilots lost all communications because of fire, and never made it to the airport despite turning back (similar to Swiss Air crash near Halifax in 1998) - he notes it was a warm evening with a heavy plane, and a tire fire or electrical fire could have been the culprit. As to how it kept flying, the author notes:
What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless
Mar 17, 2014, 1:24 pm
#162
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This is an interesting theory that completely disregards the hijacking angle - as stated in the post "from a pilot's perspective"
https://plus.google.com/106271056358...ts/GoeVjHJaGBz
The theory is the left turn was a deliberate act but as a diversion to Pulau Langkawi which was the closest and easiest approach for the 777 (not back to KL). The author states that the pilots lost all communications because of fire, and never made it to the airport despite turning back (similar to Swiss Air crash near Halifax in 1998) - he notes it was a warm evening with a heavy plane, and a tire fire or electrical fire could have been the culprit. As to how it kept flying, the author notes:
It's not a theory that fits nicely into a CNN "Breaking News" update, but I think it could be very plausible.
https://plus.google.com/106271056358...ts/GoeVjHJaGBz
The theory is the left turn was a deliberate act but as a diversion to Pulau Langkawi which was the closest and easiest approach for the 777 (not back to KL). The author states that the pilots lost all communications because of fire, and never made it to the airport despite turning back (similar to Swiss Air crash near Halifax in 1998) - he notes it was a warm evening with a heavy plane, and a tire fire or electrical fire could have been the culprit. As to how it kept flying, the author notes:
It's not a theory that fits nicely into a CNN "Breaking News" update, but I think it could be very plausible.
Mar 17, 2014, 1:27 pm
#163
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But more to the point, MH has said there was no standby passengers on this flight - all passengers purchased tickets for this flight either through MH or CZ. There were 4 "no shows": ticketed passengers that did not check in for one reason or another. And some people took liberty to interpret that means 4 people got on the flight as standby.
Source: Four passengers not onboard MH370 replaced by standby passengers
Following a barrage of questions on the matter, MAS group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said of the 227 passengers, four who had bought tickets did not turn up to catch the flight to Beijing at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA).
Their places were taken by four people, who were standby passengers, he explained.
Their places were taken by four people, who were standby passengers, he explained.
Mar 17, 2014, 1:32 pm
#164
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Cargo apparently was 3-4 tons of mangosteens. Hard to see why they would block off 50 seats for that, surely the seats would be worth more?
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/malaysi...ys-airline-ceo
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/malaysi...ys-airline-ceo
Mar 17, 2014, 1:34 pm
#165
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It was in the "World Exclusive" by New Straits Times, a Malaysian English daily. Had a huge front page headline about it.
It is worth noting that NST is wholly owned by UMNO, the party that had led the Malaysian government for 57 years. It is therefore to some extent the English language mouthpiece of the government and it is heavily edited/censored to suit the ruling party's agenda.
Having said that, if they really did get sources from inside Malaysian military, the 5000 feet figure might be true.
It is worth noting that NST is wholly owned by UMNO, the party that had led the Malaysian government for 57 years. It is therefore to some extent the English language mouthpiece of the government and it is heavily edited/censored to suit the ruling party's agenda.
Having said that, if they really did get sources from inside Malaysian military, the 5000 feet figure might be true.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-...#ixzz2wB0VKdaz