OneWorld lounge access - frustrating response from Malaysia Airlines
#1
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Frustrating email response from contact centre
I had a frustrating e-mail exchange with Malaysia Airlines. I explained very carefully via e-mail that I was arriving on British Airways first class and connecting to a domestic business class flight, and asked them to confirm that I was eligible to access the Golden Lounge FIRST CLASS section. I gave them my booking reference and I specifically typed FIRST CLASS in all caps. I also quoted the OneWorld lounge access rules. I wanted this in writing as I wanted to prevent an argument at the lounge entrance.
They replied with a non-answer: "Kindly be advised that you are eligible for access to the Golden Lounge for First class and Business class passengers."
No doubt someone trying to meet a KPI of providing 24 hour responses, except it's a non-response in this case!
They replied with a non-answer: "Kindly be advised that you are eligible for access to the Golden Lounge for First class and Business class passengers."
No doubt someone trying to meet a KPI of providing 24 hour responses, except it's a non-response in this case!
Last edited by simpletastes; Sep 15, 2017 at 2:58 am
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I had a frustrating e-mail exchange with Malaysia Airlines. I explained very carefully via e-mail that I was arriving on British Airways first class and connecting to a domestic business class flight, and asked them to confirm that I was eligible to access the Golden Lounge FIRST CLASS section. I gave them my booking reference and I specifically typed FIRST CLASS in all caps. I also quoted the OneWorld lounge access rules. I wanted this in writing as I wanted to prevent an argument at the lounge entrance.
They replied with a non-answer: "Kindly be advised that you are eligible for access to the Golden Lounge for First class and Business class passengers."
No doubt someone trying to meet a KPI of providing 24 hour responses, except it's a non-response in this case!
They replied with a non-answer: "Kindly be advised that you are eligible for access to the Golden Lounge for First class and Business class passengers."
No doubt someone trying to meet a KPI of providing 24 hour responses, except it's a non-response in this case!
https://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access
Connecting between oneworld marketed and operated flights:
- First and Business Class customers connecting on the same day of travel, or before 6am the following day, can access the lounge when travelling between an international long haul (a oneworld international long haul flight is defined as an international flight marketed and operated by any oneworld carrier with a scheduled flight time longer than 5 hours) and an international short haul or domestic flight (and vice-versa).
- Lounge access will be determined on the international long haul ticketed flight (either First of Business Class) regardless of the ticketed class of travel on the international short haul or domestic flight.
- You must be prepared to show your boarding pass or itinerary showing travel in First or Business class on the international long haul flight, in order to access the lounge before your international short haul or domestic flight
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KARFA, I am aware of oneworld lounge access rules but I am not sure why you are trying to almost blame this on me? This topic is about the quality of responses from the contact centre. As explained in my post, I wanted to get confirmation in writing and it is my right to do so, to prevent arguments with lounge agents who may not be familiar with OneWorld access rules. A common occurrence.
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For MAS at KLIA there is a domestic lounge in the semi-separate area for domestic departures. When you come off the BA service then you should have access to the MAS First Lounge in the Satellite - much better than the domestic Golden Lounge, but it sure ain't CCR - but you then have to get over to the other building and clear passport control along the way. So personally I would go directly over to the domestic wing of KLIA to ensure I could make the next flight. Moreover I strongly suspect that at the First lounge in the Satellite they would urge you to do the same.
But yes, there isn't much point emailing a question like this to an airline if you have access to Flyertalk, rightly or wrongly. The person answering your email may never have been on an aircraft in their life, whereas you have people on FT who can tell you the carpet tile manufacturer in some of these lounges. Moreover if the email came back with either a wrong or right answer it's not going to get you past a lounge agent standing their ground.
But yes, there isn't much point emailing a question like this to an airline if you have access to Flyertalk, rightly or wrongly. The person answering your email may never have been on an aircraft in their life, whereas you have people on FT who can tell you the carpet tile manufacturer in some of these lounges. Moreover if the email came back with either a wrong or right answer it's not going to get you past a lounge agent standing their ground.
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Thanks corporate-wage-slave. I have a 4-5 hour layover and prefer the First Class lounge in the satellite terminal rather than the Business Class lounge in the domestic terminal. I appreciate your response and that may in fact be reality but really can't agree with the justification "The person answering your email may never have been on an aircraft in their life" for poor customer service. I don't think other airlines would behave this way. And more importantly there will be no human progress if we don't uphold standards.....
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Thanks ajeloenard, I would like to access the first class section in the satelite lounge (as I believe is my entitlement under oneworld lounge access rules). My BA flight arrives there. I have a 4-5 hour layover. I am familiar with KLIA lounges.
The discussion we are having here exactly illustrates why I wanted written confirmation - I don't want them to send me to the Business class lounge in the international satellite terminal or the mixed lounge in the domestic terminal.
The discussion we are having here exactly illustrates why I wanted written confirmation - I don't want them to send me to the Business class lounge in the international satellite terminal or the mixed lounge in the domestic terminal.
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KARFA, I am aware of oneworld lounge access rules but I am not sure why you are trying to almost blame this on me? This topic is about the quality of responses from the contact centre. As explained in my post, I wanted to get confirmation in writing and it is my right to do so, to prevent arguments with lounge agents who may not be familiar with OneWorld access rules. A common occurrence.
However, I think just as corporate-wage-slave has suggested, there isn't much point emailing the airline beforehand. If you do wish to do so then knock yourself out
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I had a frustrating e-mail exchange with Malaysia Airlines. I explained very carefully via e-mail that I was arriving on British Airways first class and connecting to a domestic business class flight, and asked them to confirm that I was eligible to access the Golden Lounge FIRST CLASS section. I gave them my booking reference and I specifically typed FIRST CLASS in all caps. I also quoted the OneWorld lounge access rules. I wanted this in writing as I wanted to prevent an argument at the lounge entrance.
They replied with a non-answer: "Kindly be advised that you are eligible for access to the Golden Lounge for First class and Business class passengers."
No doubt someone trying to meet a KPI of providing 24 hour responses, except it's a non-response in this case!
They replied with a non-answer: "Kindly be advised that you are eligible for access to the Golden Lounge for First class and Business class passengers."
No doubt someone trying to meet a KPI of providing 24 hour responses, except it's a non-response in this case!
Note: the lounges may be still closed for renovations though they are expected to re-open this weekend or next week.
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Thanks ajeloenard, I would like to access the first class section in the satelite lounge (as I believe is my entitlement under oneworld lounge access rules). My BA flight arrives there. I have a 4-5 hour layover. I am familiar with KLIA lounges.
The discussion we are having here exactly illustrates why I wanted written confirmation - I don't want them to send me to the Business class lounge in the international satellite terminal or the mixed lounge in the domestic terminal.
The discussion we are having here exactly illustrates why I wanted written confirmation - I don't want them to send me to the Business class lounge in the international satellite terminal or the mixed lounge in the domestic terminal.
2) The regional golden lounge is accessible from the international sat terminal by taking the monorail to the main terminal..getting out of the train and turning RIGHT 30 meters. Look for the set of escalators going up to your 2 o'clock.
3) The domestic golden lounge is one level down from the regional lounge in the main terminal but you need to pass through immigration counters for transit passengers and a security check before you proceed to your domestic gate in the main terminal.
Not sure where you are flying to for your connecting flight but if it is domestic, be aware, that immigration line can be VERY VERY long if you are not careful for the transit immigration desk during peak hours which may require a 20-40 minute wait sometimes.
Other times, its a 2-5 minute wait and a breeze through both immigration and the security check.
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Not sure where you are flying to for your connecting flight but if it is domestic, be aware, that immigration line can be VERY VERY long if you are not careful for the transit immigration desk during peak hours which may require a 20-40 minute wait sometimes.
Other times, its a 2-5 minute wait and a breeze through both immigration and the security check.
Other times, its a 2-5 minute wait and a breeze through both immigration and the security check.