Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
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Jul 17, 14, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Can someone Spanish-speaking browse through this account? https://twitter.com/spainbuca
Apparently a traffic controller who works in Borispol. Not sure if relevant, but makes some peculiar claims.
Apparently a traffic controller who works in Borispol. Not sure if relevant, but makes some peculiar claims.
Jul 17, 14, 3:53 pm
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Originally Posted by UnderEst
Using Google Chrome and translating, it's still a bit difficult to read, however about 5 hours ago he posted that 2 'fighters' were escorting the plane before it disappeared from radar.
Jul 17, 14, 3:53 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
This Twitter photo of an MH777, purported to be the aircraft lost today, is spurious. Have a look at the nose gear door. The letters shown are "RC", indicating the plane's registration is 9M-MRC. The aircraft shot down was 9M-MRD. Wrong plane. (MH370 was 9M-MRO.)
Jul 17, 14, 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Yeah I went through the same exercise but Chrome had a really hard time with it, so not sure how reliable my reading is, and so I can't even begin to wonder how reliable the source is.
Jul 17, 14, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Can someone Spanish-speaking browse through this account? https://twitter.com/spainbuca
Apparently a traffic controller who works in Borispol. Not sure if relevant, but makes some peculiar claims.
Apparently a traffic controller who works in Borispol. Not sure if relevant, but makes some peculiar claims.
This tweet was published at 5:06pm from NYC time:
Military commanders here (ATC) tower control, confirm that the missile is of the army of Ukraine,
Jul 17, 14, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
Width of a commercial air corridor: FAA/US standard is four nautical miles to both left and right of the aircraft, for a total width of 8 nm.
I ask because I was thinking about corridors over Syria and Afghanistan. Which I understand commercial airlines still fly over between Europe and South East Asia?
More advanced surface to air missile capabilities extend to FL100 (100,000 feet).
While the Pilot In Control has ultimate discretion I suspect airline policy plays a strong part in the ultimate routing given fuel consumption and flight time considerations.
If helpful to others in their choice of airline: flightaware shows flight routes.
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Jul 17, 14, 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by UnderEst
Yeah and if you dig back into his tweets from the last few days, they're all very political.
Originally Posted by N639DL
You can view translations directly from Twitter...it's obviously not perfect but if you are on someone's page and click on a tweet, it will bring up all the information about the tweet, and if it isn't in English there should be an option to view the translation.
This tweet was published at 5:06pm from NYC time:
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489878810066972672
This tweet was published at 5:06pm from NYC time:
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489878810066972672
Jul 17, 14, 4:01 pm
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The person who ultimately launched the SAM was not an idiot. Let's face it, if he was, they wouldn't have put him in charge in the first place, right? On second thought, maybe he was indeed an idiot and couldn't tell what kind of plane he was targeting before firing the SAM?
Last edited by aBroadAbroad; Jul 17, 14 at 6:56 pm Reason: Removed overly speculative bit
Jul 17, 14, 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
This Twitter photo of an MH777, purported to be the aircraft lost today, is spurious. Have a look at the nose gear door. The letters shown are "RC", indicating the plane's registration is 9M-MRC. The aircraft shot down was 9M-MRD. Wrong plane. (MH370 was 9M-MRO.)
Jul 17, 14, 4:04 pm
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Regarding the ATC guy, he seems to be claiming that the plane was shot down by Ukranian forces and that the way the military took control of the tower (knowing details of what happened) made him think that it was Ukraine. He also seemed to be relying on RT earlier on.
Jul 17, 14, 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by N639DL
You can view translations directly from Twitter...it's obviously not perfect but if you are on someone's page and click on a tweet, it will bring up all the information about the tweet, and if it isn't in English there should be an option to view the translation.
This tweet was published at 5:06pm from NYC time:
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489878810066972672
This tweet was published at 5:06pm from NYC time:
Military commanders here (ATC) tower control, confirm that the missile is of the army of Ukraine,
Jul 17, 14, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerdude88
Originally Posted by lamont2718
Given the MH 17 tragedy, I am surprised to see that KL 1387 (Amsterdam-Kiev) departed just 2 hours ago and is now in Ukrainian airspace. No other major airline has any planes in Ukrainian airspace currently...
If they're going to operate the flight it kind of has to go through Ukranian airspace.
Originally Posted by CPRich
Maybe I'm a bit dense today. How is a plane going to land in Kiev, Ukraine without flying into Ukrainian airspace?
It currently seems likely that the missile was attributable to rebel forces and not Ukrainian military, but the fact that it has not yet been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Ukrainian forces were not involved in shooting down MH 17 would be sufficient reason in my mind to suspend any flights to Kiev (as Emirates did today).
Originally Posted by flyerdude88
Further, it's probably now full of media and government / airline officials so they probably went out of their way to operate the flight (and not cancel it) so those people could get on the ground as soon as possible.
Originally Posted by UltraRant
For what I understood, only the airspace above the troubled areas (the battle areas in the east of Ukraine) is closed now for traffic. Kiev is far away from that area.
Originally Posted by alanR
It's midnight local time
Jul 17, 14, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Jenni_Kit
This comes from Facebook originally - I won't post the link but it is easy to find. There is a conversation in the comments section that appears genuine. Friends and family of the two victims saying happy holiday etc. then reports of the crash by some family/friends and reactions to it. Then condolences etc. Timing is right as well. The account and reactions seem genuine - maybe the poster used an old photo, maybe there was a change of plane.
Jul 17, 14, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by UnderEst
Using Google Chrome and translating, it's still a bit difficult to read, however about 5 hours ago he posted that 2 'fighters' were escorting the plane before it disappeared from radar.
Jul 17, 14, 4:10 pm
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Wow talk about fate. This also confirms the earlier reports that the plane was completely full.
Article from the Telegraph basically says a couple (plus baby) were IDB'd (presumably or at the very least VDB'd) off MH17 due to a lack of seats and put on the later KLM flight instead.
Article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-of-seats.html
Article from the Telegraph basically says a couple (plus baby) were IDB'd (presumably or at the very least VDB'd) off MH17 due to a lack of seats and put on the later KLM flight instead.
A couple who had been planning to fly on the Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed in Ukraine spoke last night of the “sick feeling” they experienced on hearing the news.
Barry Sim and his wife Izzy were told there were not enough seats on the plane for them and their baby so they switched to a later KLM flight.
Barry Sim and his wife Izzy were told there were not enough seats on the plane for them and their baby so they switched to a later KLM flight.
