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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 10:13 am
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Given where the plane crashed, the odds it wasn't shot down are quite small.
Interesting MH would choose to continue to fly through that area especially given another plane was shot down in that area just days ago.
Interesting MH would choose to continue to fly through that area especially given another plane was shot down in that area just days ago.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:13 am
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I don't think so. The airspace of Russia/Ukraine is not that congested, and I think there are several alternative routes for many flights (either to the north - over Russia, or to the south - over the Black Sea).
Jul 17, 2014, 10:13 am
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It'll depend on two questions:
1) is a missile strike confirmed
2) who fired it, and from where
It'll depend on two questions:
1) is a missile strike confirmed
2) who fired it, and from where
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Jul 17, 2014, 10:13 am
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I really like it how this russian guy Strelkov claims that they couldnt have shot it down, saying:
"we dont have weapons able to reach 10.000 kilometers"
I guess they mistook it for the An26 that was supposed to fly at lower altitudes, this explains the size difference. The rest is just excellent russian weapon technology that took down the aircraft and didnt stop at just a couple of thousand meters.
"we dont have weapons able to reach 10.000 kilometers"
I guess they mistook it for the An26 that was supposed to fly at lower altitudes, this explains the size difference. The rest is just excellent russian weapon technology that took down the aircraft and didnt stop at just a couple of thousand meters.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:14 am
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Not trying to start a political argument in the middle of what looks to be a horrible tragedy, but if this aircraft was indeed shot down by someone (e.g. the Ukrainian or Russian militaries) with SAMs capable of taking out a plane at 30k+ feet, wouldn't this constitute an act of war?
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Jul 17, 2014, 10:14 am
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Ukrainian ministry of internal affairs says the terrorists show down the 777 using one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...pleksa-buk-mvd (in russian)
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...pleksa-buk-mvd (in russian)
Jul 17, 2014, 10:14 am
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Horrifying news. I just checked flightaware and many MH planes (eg all flights from LHR to KUL) overfly eastern ukraine. Shouldnt this immediately be deemed a no-fly zone?
Jul 17, 2014, 10:15 am
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Hope so. I just don't fancy being in any sort of danger...
Jul 17, 2014, 10:15 am
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BBC analyst talked about how the separatist rebels in Ukraine might have acquired sophisticated surface-to-air missile systems capable of shooting down planes at such high altitude, but they wouldn't have access to the info. systems that give real-time data on transponder signals that identify a plane as a commercial, passenger aircraft.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:16 am
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Jul 17, 2014, 10:16 am
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Definitely not good for MH regardless of who is a fault in either incident. Last year MH F awards on A380 to/from Europe were hard to come by. This year, good amount of awards available. Possibly related due to drop in bookings. This incident does not help either.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:16 am
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Jul 17, 2014, 10:16 am
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The missile would lock in on a heat signature, so obviously the engine would be the target. It's possible that if the engine or even just part of the wing is hit, the result would not necessarily be an explosion. If the plane's wing was just severely damaged, then it would drop from 30,000 feet relatively intact.
Jul 17, 2014, 10:16 am
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Unofficial (pro-separatist) social media sources: the separatists seized a Buk SAM system from the governmental forces and used it to shoot down a Ukrainian An-26 on July 14.
UPD: Buk seizure confirmed by official Russian news sources. Though this still can be viewed as pure propaganda (except for the fact that the An-26 crash is real and confirmed by both sides).
UPD: Buk seizure confirmed by official Russian news sources. Though this still can be viewed as pure propaganda (except for the fact that the An-26 crash is real and confirmed by both sides).
