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This is ARCHIVE WEEK #2 (15 - 21 March UTC) of older posts from the original thread, MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: now Search and Recovery [PLEASE SEE WIKI].

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Mar 15, 2014, 1:37 am

#151

Nrg800

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cnk

...it would be nice to have a list or Google Earth overlay to see what possible landing sites could have been considered. Ideally a list would show all of the runways over ___ ft in length within ____ nm of the last known location of the aircraft. While that list would be huge, a number of locations could be disregarded (located near major population centers, military bases of countries which certainly wouldn't be involved in anything of this sort - use your judgment on that one, etc.).

World runway data can be accessed from http://www.ourairports.com/data/

I'll edit in a map in a second.

Edit: It might take like 20min because the file does not contain Lat/Long data

Mar 15, 2014, 1:38 am

#152

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Originally Posted by Fraport

I know gliding for an aircraft of this size has been ruled out, in the event of a catastrophic event, but can it be ruled out if it was planned? ie they calculated how much fuel they would have and where they could glide into undetected?

It feels like a super dumb question now that ive typed it out. It just doesnt make sense, as someone said,to take a plane and then run out of fuel.

The dude did have a full on 777 simulator in his house

Mar 15, 2014, 1:40 am

#153

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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer

Upthread we had established already that the plane could have flown until 0811 with normal fuel on board.

With minimal fuel left. The crash site would be close to that spot then.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:41 am

#154

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jxd

Here's something intriguing. Last data received was at 0811 but the plane did not carry enough fuel to continue flying non stop until 0811. It had to land and refuel somewhere.

The aircraft was said to have departed with 7.5 hours of fuel. The flight took off from KUL at 1241. 1241 + 2:30 = 0811. If the plane was configured for max range cruise after the apparent diversion, that would have added some flying time.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:44 am

#155

snowbunnytx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nrg800

World runway data can be accessed from http://www.ourairports.com/data/

I'll edit in a map in a second.

Edit: It might take like 20min because the file does not contain Lat/Long data

In addition there may be disused military runways from previous conflicts that could have been patched up with minimum attention attracted. How to provision such a runway with Jet A - not so easy but....

Mar 15, 2014, 1:46 am

#156

CDTraveler

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Originally Posted by snowbunnytx

I think getting a stock of Jet A would be easy compared to figuring out how to route a 777 for couple thousand miles without anybody noticing it.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:48 am

#157

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Originally Posted by us2

The aircraft did not have to be flying to talk to the satellite at 0811. On the ground or water, it would still have worked.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:49 am

#158

tsmith12

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Two corridors for the flight mentioned by PM

Mar 15, 2014, 1:52 am

#159

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsquared37

My first thought is a signal was picked up by the satellite but the time/distance calculated couldn't be deciphered from north or south. The 'corridors' mentioned do have symmetry if the satellite in question bisected the areas.

If the only useful info that the satellite picked up was a timestamp from the airplane then it would "know" that the aircraft was at some distance from it. So a circle with some radius. If there were two satellites then there would be two circles and those circles would intersect at two (at most) points. Perhaps these two points of intersection are the center of the North and South corridors? Any imprecision or offset in timestamps between the aircraft and the two satellites would "fuzzy up" the points of intersection but the corridors mentioned seem to be very large. I just don't know how they figured these regions out.

BTW, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan only share a border near the middle of the Caspian Sea, so I'm not even sure what that corridor is supposed to encompass. If it's from the Northernmost extent of Kaz to the Southernmost bit of Turk then this is one massively large area.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:53 am

#160

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Here's MH370 passenger manifest (Name/Age/Nationality) ... Maybe it can be added to Wiki

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...&mg=reno64-wsj

Mar 15, 2014, 1:56 am

#161

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tsmith12

Two corridors for the flight mentioned by PM

That upper arrow looks like it is pointing right at Chechnya, not known for its political stability but somewhat strong in terrorism.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:58 am

#162

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tsmith12

Here's MH370 passenger manifest (Name/Age/Nationality) ... Maybe it can be added to Wiki

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...&mg=reno64-wsj

It is already in the wiki under Timeline/Facts.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:59 am

#163

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uszkanni

BTW, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan only share a border near the middle of the Caspian Sea, so I'm not even sure what that corridor is supposed to encompass. If it's from the Northernmost extent of Kaz to the Southernmost bit of Turk then this is one massively large area.

No, it is from that common border down to northern Thailand!!!

Mar 15, 2014, 1:59 am

#164

Nrg800

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If you're looking for a "pleasant" way to go, crashing an airplane would be a LONG way down the list.

Mar 15, 2014, 1:59 am

#165

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Police are searching the house of the pilot of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, a senior Malaysian Police source has told the Reuters news agency.