Originally Posted by flyinbob

Now I'm reading the father of the Italian passport victim says the passport was stolen over a year ago. Don't know what that means in regard to its use.

Originally Posted by JDiver

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Originally Posted by iquitos

If security means anything knowing who is on your airplane is basic. I doubt there is much tolerance for faked documents anymore anywhere. The circumstances of the loss or theft will come under scrutiny as will how these docs got past immigration and airline checks. These docs would have to be photsubbed. You can be sure the USG looks carefully at each document which is why you have to give it up well in advance of flying. Looks like those two were issued on China Southern stock.

Originally Posted by chongcao

LINK

China Southern published a microblog confirmed 7 passengers' nationality who have booked under CZ stock tickets at 16:08 Beijing Time on 8th march 2014.

It states:

Translation:

Malaysian Airlines MH370, which went missing today, is a codeshare flight between Malaysian Airlines and China Southern, operated by Malaysian Airlines. It is estimated that 7 passengers are booked under China Southern code, includes 1 Chinese passenger, 2 Ukraine passengers, 1 Austrian passenger, 1 Italian, 1 Dutch and 1 Malaysian. We are still working on verifying extra information available. After this incident, China Southern has initiated crisis procedures, and have asked information from Malaysian Airlines at the first times. We will assist Malaysian Airlines in regarding to these seven passengers.

Sorry for the not-so-clear translation. For those interested, you may find the link of this China Southern Microblog on their official microblog site: LINK

The link to Microblog could also found in China Southern website . it is in the right hand side to the PNR sign and Email sign.

Originally Posted by GUWonder

Requiring passports does not mean they check even most of them against the Interpol databases. Often in the cases where stolen/sold passports are used for international travel by air, the passenger fraudulently using such real passports has a valid passport for himself/herself too and shows one passport at some points in time and the other passport at other points in time during the course of travel. This is quite "standard" practice for people who are intent upon violating immigration laws and yet choose to travel internationally by air on common carriers.

Originally Posted by iquitos

If security means anything knowing who is on your airplane is basic. I doubt there is much tolerance for faked documents anymore anywhere. The circumstances of the loss or theft will come under scrutiny as will how these docs got past immigration and airline checks. These docs would have to be photsubbed. You can be sure the USG looks carefully at each document which is why you have to give it up well in advance of flying. Looks like those two were issued on China Southern stock.

Originally Posted by largeeyes

Pretty sure you are confusing the term residence and citizenship.

Originally Posted by chollie

There's no evidence that these pax were 'routinely flying' on these two passports. This may have been the first time the passports were used on a flight -or the first time they were used on an international flight.

If the passport checks were so effective and foolproof, people wouldn't keep stealing passports.

Originally Posted by flyinbob

So it had to be something like that I'd assume. And what "imploding DC-10s" are you referring to?

Originally Posted by flyinbob

Somewhat technical question. Anyone know the depth of the sea in the area of the crash? And how deep can the black boxes be and still be able to pick up the pinging from the transmitters? How close do you have to be to pick up the signal? I'm wondering why there are no reports of any signals at all?

Originally Posted by iahphx

Given all the "security theater" we have to put up with at the airport (and this includes Malaysia -- see my earlier reference to being fingerprinted and photographed) I would find it shocking that you could get on a plane with a passport that was stolen 2 years ago. I mean, MH had that number in their rez system. Are you telling me the computers don't run that through any database? And that swipe they do at immigration is just for show? Within 12 hours of the crash, the media already knew there were 2 people on board with stolen passports. This is crazy. And a bit scary. In this day and age, it's kind of important to know who is actually on a plane, and make sure they're not up to no good.

Originally Posted by iahphx

Given all the "security theater" we have to put up with at the airport (and this includes Malaysia -- see my earlier reference to being fingerprinted and photographed) I would find it shocking that you could get on a plane with a passport that was stolen 2 years ago. I mean, MH had that number in their rez system. Are you telling me the computers don't run that through any database? And that swipe they do at immigration is just for show? Within 12 hours of the crash, the media already knew there were 2 people on board with stolen passports. This is crazy. And a bit scary. In this day and age, it's kind of important to know who is actually on a plane, and make sure they're not up to no good.

Originally Posted by swy

Someone mentioned this upthread... the Gulf of Thailand is pretty shallow.

Originally Posted by GUWonder

I'm pretty sure I know the difference between residence and citizenship -- especially as someone with resident status in more countries than I have citizenship -- and am not confusing the terms.