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MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: 8 - 14 Mar 2014 UTC - ARCHIVE WEEK #1

MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: 8 - 14 Mar 2014 UTC - ARCHIVE WEEK #1

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Old Mar 11, 14, 8:43 pm
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Originally Posted by WindowSeat123 View Post
Are you referring to the Flight Data Recorder, Cockpit Voice Recorder or both?
Both
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Old Mar 11, 14, 8:48 pm
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We dont even know if they would be able to recover the black boxes...

List of unrecovered flight recorders


On that regard, I just read this article

For me, the most shocking aspect of the MH370 disaster is that we wont know what fate befell those 239 souls until we find MH370′s Flight Data Recorder (FDR), aka the black box. Except for that last radar reading, we have absolutely no knowledge of the flight at all until we find that FDR. We have no clue what was said in the cockpit by the captain and first officer though, seemingly, if something did go wrong, they didnt even have time to send a mayday message. We have no clue if the plane hit a patch of bad weather, or whether it was hijacked. It really will be one huge mystery until the FDR is recovered and theres a good chance, if MH370 did crash into the ocean, that the FDR will never be recovered.

The mystery of flight MH370: How on earth, with all our technology, do we lose a giant plane? (Updated)
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Old Mar 11, 14, 8:51 pm
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Originally Posted by AMflier View Post
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Check my updated reply to you in my last post.
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Old Mar 11, 14, 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by WindowSeat123 View Post
Are you referring to the Flight Data Recorder, Cockpit Voice Recorder or both?

If you are talking about the Flight Data Recorder, it should be able to record the whole flight (it is mandated by law to record up to 25 hours of data). Even if the transponder is off, there is a whole range of parameters that the FDR monitors:

http://www.airlines.org/Pages/Flight...Recorders.aspx

[I]Regulation amendments have mandated more capable recorders as technology has made them available. Initially, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) required that airplanes designed and "type certificated" prior to September 30, 1969, record six flight parameters: altitude; airspeed; heading; vertical acceleration; time of day; and the relative time of radio transmissions to and from air traffic controllers. U

Are worldwide systems the same? Does FAA in said article mean US FAA or does it mean the equivalent of each agency worldwide?
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by enzian View Post
Isn't there any kind of cross-check on what the ground crew does? Wouldn't the pilots check on this before departure?
Sure there are cross checks. Check-lists, having another employee or supervisor sign off on a job, and departure check "walkarounds" by the First Officer. But humans will fail occasionally, as unfortunate and as critical as it may seem. Another aircraft had a failure because the static ports (necessary to report density altitude) had been covered with tape - but nobody removed the tape prior to flight, and the FO didn't see it either. Aeroper Flight 603 crashed into the sea with loss of hull and lives because of multiple human factors failure, stemming from the actions - or failure to follow through - with the maintenance worker at Miami International airport.

Now, a reminder: we have no evidence maintenance was an issue here. It is a reminder there are many variables, and unfortunately we know nothing about what happened here. It might be a long time before we know, and as a very few cases show, we may never know.
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:01 pm
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Just in on The Guardian
Agence France Presse are reporting that Vietnam have suspended search operations for the flight until Malaysia clarifies the scope of the search.

This hardly seems surprising given the wild changes that have been made to the search scope and the contradictory statements from Malaysian officials.
The whole quote is The Guardian, just to be clear. (Although I do agree, if the Vietnamese have also been hearing the same thing as the rest of us have.)

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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:06 pm
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFlyStar View Post
Just in on The Guardian


The whole quote is The Guardian, just to be clear. (Although I do agree, if the Vietnamese have also been hearing the same thing as the rest of us have.)
Not surprising and I agree with Vietnam.

More surprising was the update just below - that according to the New Guardian Rolls Royce may have received 2 bursts of data from the engines which would contradict MAS who has claimed they received nothing

"The missing Malaysia Airlines jet sent at least two bursts of technical data back to the airline before it disappeared, New Scientist has learned...New Scientist understands that the maker of the missing Boeing 777’s Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from flight MH370 at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby"
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:06 pm
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So, now it's time to search in the Andaman Sea.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...#ixzz2viF2yjCc
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Originally Posted by jabbered View Post
Are worldwide systems the same? Does FAA in said article mean US FAA or does it mean the equivalent of each agency worldwide?
Malaysian Airlines should have more or less the same FDR as the FAA mandated. They fly to LA, so if they fly to America, they must comply with FAA requirements.
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:11 pm
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Has anyone mapped an estimated distance/range the plane have could have traveled from its last "known" location before it ran out of fuel? Just curious exactly how big this search area could get if nothing is found soon.
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:12 pm
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Please: before posting about passports, cell phones from passengers ringing, another pilot communicating with MH370 read the wiki FIRST. Trying to find a specific post is like trying to find a needle in a haystack at times - but much of the relevant information we know about and has been shared here previously (or not) are held in the wiki.

The wikipost is handily enough rendered at the top of each and every page rendering.

Thank you. JDiver, on behalf of the moderation team
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by cjphilly View Post
Has anyone mapped an estimated distance/range the plane have could have traveled from its last "known" location before it ran out of fuel? Just curious exactly how big this search area could get if nothing is found soon.
Yes, it was a few pages back.
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:24 pm
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Facebook spam is really pissing me off right now - several sites promoting "video of MH370" or "MH370 found" etc. simply to drive views to sites (that have some generic crash type footage or not even that) Disgusting.
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Originally Posted by flyerdude88 View Post
Not surprising and I agree with Vietnam.

More surprising was the update just below - that according to the New Guardian Rolls Royce may have received 2 bursts of data from the engines which would contradict MAS who has claimed they received nothing
Well maybe MH wasn't aware of this? Looks like the first ever mention of this suspected data which could be significant if true. It's more interesting that RR has just got around to release this!
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Old Mar 11, 14, 9:25 pm
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Transponder turned off/not working before ATC hands off to Vietnam ??

As noted above, 03/12/2014 08:38 (GMT + 7) reporting from Vietnamese press - Tuoi Tre Online - Original link VN officials announced at a morning press briefing the suspension of (most) SAR operations, effective immediately - pending specific disclosures from Malaysia government about the latest (conflicting reports & denials) of MH370 turning & dropping off the commercial radar ... http://translate.google.com/translat...Ftuoitre.vn%2F

Japan is sending SAR help, at the request of Malaysia government - 2 P-3C and 2 C-130H will be arriving on 12 of March, along with a 8 member SAR team. http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2014-03-12/0833768336.html

Chinese authorities are reportingly consider plans to dispatch additional SAR and request help from nearby Chinese merchant ships sailing thru the Strait.

The newest live blog update - unconfirmed/subject to verification (floating on CN's Sina website): it appeared that Malaysia is now disclosing for the 1st. time that the transponder for MH370 was not working properly & broadcasting its ID's even before its last radio transmission when being transferred or ready for handoff from KUL Control to Ho Chi Ming City ATC. If this proved to be truthful, assumptions and theories will be changing ... with serious implications on what was going on @ the flightdeck.

The big "Search" question is - where ??
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