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exwannabe Mar 23, 2014 8:44 am


Originally Posted by SingaporeDon (Post 22572224)
From today's Malaysian Press Release

3. Update on ACARS transmission
a. The last ACARS transmission, sent at 1.07am, showed nothing unusual. The 1.07am transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing.


Does this not now debunk the "deliberate route change programmed into the FMS" theory? Would the ACARS not have picked it up, and the assertion today that "the 1:07 transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing" put paid to the earlier theory which led to the "deliberate act" conclusion?

It debunks the non-sensical NYT peice that was written as if they knew from ACARS that the course had been reprogrammed and reported as such at 1:07.

It says nothing about what happened after the 1:07 transmission.

iquitos Mar 23, 2014 8:54 am


Originally Posted by Letitride3c (Post 22571461)
According to the Star Online in Malaysia, there're 40 controllers working/on duty the night of March 8 when MH370 and some of them are still haunted by what happened during their shift < Link > and I quote " all emergency protocol was followed immediately " " the decisions we make involve people’s lives and ... "

Very revealing insight into who did what, when and how during those crucial minutes.

So they knew almost real time that the plane had diverted having contacted Malaysian military radar?

NewbieRunner Mar 23, 2014 2:56 pm

Australian Maritime Safety Authority Media Release - 23rd March, 2014, 2330 AEDT (1230 UTC)
Search operation for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Update 12

  • The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) search operation for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has concluded for today.
  • There were no sightings of significance.
  • The search area experienced early sea fog particularly in the western areas, however conditions improved during the day.
  • A total of eightaircraft and HMAS Success supported today’s search effort in a cumulative 59,000 square kilometre search area across two search areas with in the Australian Search and Rescue Region south-west of Perth.
  • The western boundary of the current search area is located 2500km from Perth.
  • Four civil ultra-long range jets chartered by AMSA and four military aircraft from Australian and the US were involved in today’s search together with the HMAS Success.
  • Twenty State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers from Western Australia were tasked as air observers today on board the civil aircraft. Each civil aircraft had five SES air observers on board, as well as an AeroRescue Aviation Mission Coordinator. Aerorescue is AMSA’s contracted provider of dedicated search and rescue services from locations across Australia.
  • The search will resume tomorrow. Chinese military Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft and Japanese P-3C aircraft will join the search on Monday.

Enquiries: [email protected]
Media kit and latest charts: http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/mh370-search.asp

JDiver Mar 23, 2014 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by iquitos (Post 22572754)
So they knew almost real time that the plane had diverted having contacted Malaysian military radar?


MH370 never contacted the RMAF; RMAF radar picked them up on two radars, Kota Bharu and Butterworth, but the operator's either failed to notice or to report the target. The radar data were recorded, and sorting them later revealed the "boogie". No communication, merely an aircraft "painting" the screen. No way of even ascertaining 100% it was MH370.

hallenCH Mar 23, 2014 5:59 pm

Oh dear!



A Malaysian official involved in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has contradicted public claims from the Malaysian government by saying that its military knowingly and continuously tracked the plane on radar for more than an hour after communication with ground control was severed in the early hours of March 8.

The anonymous air force official told Chinese web portal Tencent that despite initial claims that they could not be certain, the Malaysian military knew very well that the plane they were tracking on radar was flight MH370 and followed it as it climbed above the Boeing 777's approved altitude of 45,000ft and took a sharp turn to the west before descending unevenly to 23,000ft on the approach to the island of Penang. The plane then climbed back to 35,000ft and headed northwest towards the Indian Ocean, with the final reading showing it above the tiny island of Pulau Perak in the Strait of Malacca at around 2.40am.

Though they had known this all along, Malaysian authorities did not reveal this crucial information until March 15, a week after the plane's disappearance, the official said. It also meant that Malaysia knew from the beginning that the plane — if it had crashed — was likely in the Strait of Malacca region on the west side of the country as opposed to the South China Sea on the east side, where dozens of ships and aircraft from other countries searched fruitlessly for days, the official added.


Want China Times

M@rcoPolo Mar 23, 2014 6:07 pm

Malaysia’s unwillingness to release the full cargo manifest from missing Flight MH370 will hamper the search effort...

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226863022091

This is truly bizarre... why would they withhold this information :confused:

iquitos Mar 23, 2014 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 22574608)
MH370 never contacted the RMAF; RMAF radar picked them up on two radars, Kota Bharu and Butterworth, but the operator's either failed to notice or to report the target. The radar data were recorded, and sorting them later revealed the "boogie". No communication, merely an aircraft "painting" the screen. No way of even ascertaining 100% it was MH370.

Malay ATC did. "Two search and rescue trained officers are on standby during every shift and they immediately opened the Aeronautical Rescue Co..ordination Centre or ARCC."

“The officers called the air force, which confirmed they had detected the plane on their military radar but it had diverted from its path." http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...onnel-on-duty/

Flyz Mar 23, 2014 7:10 pm

New information that the flight dropped to 12,000 feet after turning, suggesting perhaps that the pilot tried to compensate for depressurization after some kind of catastrophic event —

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

Is this the right thread for this? I hope so.

NWIFlyer Mar 23, 2014 10:36 pm

Report on Sky News that the Chinese official news agency has claimed what appear to be new or more conclusive items of debris have been spotted

http://news.sky.com/story/1230750/mi...-objects-found

... and confirmed by the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26678492

drron Mar 23, 2014 10:39 pm

Chinese spot white and rectangular objects-
http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-...#ixzz2wqoeq53m

iquitos Mar 23, 2014 11:41 pm

Don't know if this graphic timeline is up yet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...-flight-MH370/

alanR Mar 24, 2014 1:04 am

Chinese aircraft spots debris

malgudi Mar 24, 2014 2:54 am


But Reuters reports that Australian authorities said a US Navy P-8 Poseidon, the most advanced search aircraft in the world, had been unable to find the objects.

"A US Navy P-8 Poseidon aircraft was tasked to investigate reported object sightings by the Chinese aircraft made at 33,000ft," an AMSA spokeswoman said in an emailed response to Reuters.

"The objects were spotted by the Chinese aircraft as it was heading back to Perth. Drift modelling was undertaken on the sighting. The P-8 was unable to relocate the reported objects."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-...#ixzz2wrugPDUn



Originally Posted by alanR (Post 22576601)


Trakman Mar 24, 2014 4:22 am

Latest AMSA release says that an RAAF Orion has also seen some debris today...

https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...MH370FINAL.pdf

NewbieRunner Mar 24, 2014 4:38 am


Originally Posted by Trakman (Post 22577036)
Latest AMSA release says that an RAAF Orion has also seen some debris today...

https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...MH370FINAL.pdf

Thanks for posting the link, Trakman. It may be just me, but I've had problems opening the file. So I'll copy and paste the text below.


Media Release

24th March, 2014: 2030(AEDT)
Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 15

  • The Australian Maritime Safety Authority can advise objects have been located by a Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion.
  • HMAS Success is on scene and is attempting to locate the objects in the search for missing Malaysia Aircraft flight MH370.
  • The objects were spotted in the search area about 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth by the RAAF Orion about 2.45pm (AEDT).
  • The crew on board the Orion reported seeing two objects – the first a grey or green circular object and the second an orange rectangular object.
  • The objects identified by the RAAF Orion are separate to the objects reported by the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 to AMSA earlier today.
  • The objects reported by the Chinese were also within today’s search area.
  • The US Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft sought to relocate the objects reported by the Chinese aircraft but were unable to do so.
  • The US Navy P8 is remains in the search area, while a second RAAF P3 and a Japanese P3 are en route to their assigned search areas.
  • The last of these aircraft will depart the search area about 11pm (AEDT).

E: [email protected]
Video update to follow and posted in media kit.


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