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JDiver Mar 29, 2014 8:51 am

The search day is over (2245 Perth time), and eight aircraft were launched for today's search mission. Ships included Chinese maritime patrol vessel Haixun 1 and PLAN (Navy) ship Jinggangshan (which carries two helicopters).

A Chinese IL-76 spotted some debris including red, white and orange objects, dropped a marker buoy for further investigation tomorrow (Sunday).

Weather was deteriorating somewhat throughout the day. (BERNAMA, BBC, etc.; update added to wiki.)

david55 Mar 29, 2014 9:52 am

Garbage
 
The 3 objects are unrelated to 370.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...e-media-n66781







Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 22609699)
The search day is over (2245 Perth time), and eight aircraft were launched for today's search mission. Ships included Chinese maritime patrol vessel Haixun 1 and PLAN (Navy) ship Jinggangshan (which carries two helicopters).

A Chinese IL-76 spotted some debris including red, white and orange objects, dropped a marker buoy for further investigation tomorrow (Sunday).

Weather was deteriorating somewhat throughout the day. (BERNAMA, BBC, etc.; update added to wiki.)


JDiver Mar 29, 2014 10:06 am


Originally Posted by david4455 (Post 22609941)
The 3 objects are unrelated to 370.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...e-media-n66781

Thanks, David. Not surprising with so many square kilometres and so much garbage out there. Sad, but not surprising.

polarbreeze Mar 29, 2014 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 22606520)

This map seems to suggest that the plane could have been within range of "Radar 2" at some point. Any reports of any sightings? Or absence of sightings would be relevant too I guess.

NewbieRunner Mar 29, 2014 5:55 pm

[AMSA] Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 27
29 March 2014: 2315(AEDT)


Search activities for Saturday have now concluded. Approximately 252,000 square kilometres were searched.

Aircraft in the search area have continued to report sightings of objects similar to those reported on Friday.

A Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76 reported sighting three objects in the search area.

A Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion also reported sighting multiple objects in a different part of the search area.

The objects sighted by aircraft cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships.

The Haixun 01 and HMAS Success reported they have retrieved a number of objects from the ocean but so far no objects confirmed to be related to MH370 have been recovered.

Today’s search activities involved a total of eight aircraft.

They included three Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard jet, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

HMAS Success, the Chinese Maritime Safety Administration ship Haixun 01, China Rescue and Salvage Bureau ship Nan Hai Jiu, and the Chinese Navy ship Jinggang Shan arrived in the search area today and a further five ships should arrive tomorrow.

The ANZAC class frigate HMAS Toowoomba left Perth earlier tonight and is due to arrive at the search area in about three days.

The weather in the search area was described as reasonable for searching however visibility was reduced to about four kilometres with rain showers.

The search will resume in the morning.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...e_Update27.pdf

NewbieRunner Mar 29, 2014 6:01 pm

[AMSA] Search and recovery operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 28
30 March 2014: 0645(AEDT)


The search activities for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 will continue today, weather permitting, in an area about 1,850 kilometres west of Perth.

Today’s search continues to focus on an area of about 319,000 square kilometres based on refined analysis by international air crash investigators.

Ten planes are planned to be involved in today’s search.

They include three Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon, two Malaysian Air Force C-130 Hercules and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

The first aircraft, a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, is due to depart for the search area at 0900 (AEDT). Further details on flight times will be released later this morning.

HMAS Success, the Chinese Maritime Safety Administration ship Haixun 01, China Rescue and Salvage Bureau ship Nan Hai Jiu, and the Chinese Navy vessel Jinggang Shan arrived in the search area yesterday. A further six ships should arrive in the area today.

The ANZAC class frigate HMAS Toowoomba left Perth yesterday evening and is due to arrive in the search area in about three days. The ADV Ocean Shield is scheduled to depart from Perth later today after being fitted with a black box detector and an autonomous underwater vehicle.

All ships in the search area are being tasked to locate and identify the objects sighted by aircraft over the past two days.

Weather in the search area is forecast to worsen today with light showers and low cloud, though search operations are expected to continue.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...e_Update28.pdf

JDiver Mar 29, 2014 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by polarbreeze (Post 22611362)
This map seems to suggest that the plane could have been within range of "Radar 2" at some point. Any reports of any sightings? Or absence of sightings would be relevant too I guess.

I believe that's the full range scope of the phased array radar; it does not mean they were actually aiming at the area of potential coverage.

NewbieRunner Mar 30, 2014 6:21 am

[AMSA] Search and recovery operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 29
30 March 2014: 1115 (AEDT)

*All times are expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving Time (AEDT). Please note all times are approximate.

Today's search and recovery operation in the Australian Search and Rescue Region for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is now underway.

Search activities today will involve a total of 10 aircraft.

They include three Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon, two Malaysian Air Force C-130 Hercules and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

The first aircraft to leave Perth for the search area was the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft at 9am.

The US Navy P8 Poseidon is scheduled to depart at 11am

The Republic of Korea P3 Orion is scheduled to depart at 11am .

The civil jet acting as communications relay is due to depart at 12pm

A RAAF P3 Orion is scheduled to depart at 12pm

Two Malaysian C130 Hercules are scheduled to depart at 1pm

A RAAF P3 Orion is due to depart at 2pm

A RAAF P3 Orion is due to depart at 3pm

The Japanese P3 Orion is scheduled to depart at 4pm

A total of eight ships have also been tasked to today’s search.

Today's charts are now available on the MH370 media kit page.
http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/mh370-search.asp
https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...e_Update29.pdf

NewbieRunner Mar 30, 2014 7:06 am

Ship to tow 'black box' search device
 

An Australian Naval support vessel, HMAS Ocean Shield, is being fitted with a US machine known as a "towed pinger locator" - as the search for missing flight MH370's "black box" devices is stepped up.

A TPL is pulled underwater behind a ship at slow speeds, and uses a hydrophone - highly sensitive listening equipment - to detect any ultrasonic signals - "pings" - from aircraft flight recorders.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...9_74025844.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...tpl_640_v3.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...0_74035208.jpg
All above images from BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26849818


The Ocean Shield, which leaves Perth tomorrow on an initial 30-day mission, has been fitted with US Navy equipment designed to electronically hunt for the box, including a towed pinger locator and unmanned underwater drone.

With the ship not likely to reach the search zone west of Perth for several days, it had been feared the 30-day life of the satellite "pinger"’ within the black box could expire before the equipment arrived.

But Captain Mark Matthews, the US Navy supervisor of salvage and diving, revealed today that while the pinger is certified for 30 days, it could last for up to another 15 days.

...

The towed pinger locater on the Ocean Shield has a range of 1.6km and depth capability up to 6000m, with the search set to be conducted at a speed of just 5km/h.

An unmanned underwater drone will also be on board, ready to dive once the pinger locater has found a signal to map the sea floor and photograph potential debris there.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1226868567514

AlbaGuBrath Mar 30, 2014 9:53 am

This is possibly a stupid question, from an uneducated flyer.. Rather than using planes, could the SAR teams not deploy a few drones over the area?

NewbieRunner Mar 30, 2014 9:54 am

[AMSA] Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 30
30th March, 2014: 2335 (AEDT)


Search activities for Sunday have now concluded. Approximately 252,000 square kilometres were searched.

Today's search activities involved a total of nine aircraft.

They included two Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, a Republic of Korea Navy P3 Orion, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon, a Royal Malaysian Air Force C-130 Hercules and two civil aircraft.

Eight ships were tasked in the MH370 search area with a merchant ship also transiting through the area. This represents the greatest number of ships tasked in the search to date.

Aircraft in the search area have continued to report sightings of objects similar to those reported previously. Objects sighted by aircraft cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships. Nothing has yet been verified as being from MH370.

A number of objects were retrieved by HMAS Success and Haixun 01 yesterday. The objects have been examined on the ships and are not believed to be related to MH370. The objects have been described as fishing equipment and other flotsam.

The weather in the search area was described as reasonable for searching. Visibility was reported as being in excess of 10km.

The ADV Ocean Shield is scheduled to depart from Perth tomorrow, having been fitted with a black box detector and an autonomous underwater vehicle
The search will resume in the morning subject to weather conditions.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...e_Update30.pdf

JDiver Mar 30, 2014 11:42 am


Originally Posted by AlbaGuBrath (Post 22615317)
This is possibly a stupid question, from an uneducated flyer.. Rather than using planes, could the SAR teams not deploy a few drones over the area?

Drones are great for various sorts of data collection; some, such as the Northrop-Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk, can endure 28 hours and fly 8,700 miles (e. g. Edwards AFB California to Edinburgh RAFB in Australia, April 2001.) and offer advanced sensors. They have been used for damage surveys after major natural catastrophes, such as typhoons Haiyan (Philippines, 2013), and can survey up to 100,000 square miles during a mission. They do this at generally high altitude - 60,000 ft. and they require dedicated ground support and equipment including a crew of three with control van and data analysis support. 9th RW, BAFB.

RAAF actually considered acquisition but at this point cancelled the option and are getting Boeing P-8 Poseidons for maritime surveillance role missions. The acquisition of the maritime version MQ-4C "Triton" is under consideration.

But the nature of searching and sorting various debris, etc. makes the "Mark I Human Eyeball" (and the brain behind each pair, plus they are aided by top grade optics) very much the best instruments available for this kind of purpose.

The aircraft in use at the moment have the advantages of being piloted by cockpit crew that are trained in the necessary (and sometimes tricky) low level flight techniques required, can respond quickly, and carry marker buoys and flares that can be deployed for ships to find and to mark debris for return passes for observation.

The turboprop P-3 has excellent loiter time, as well (it's just the design is nearly antique, being based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, first flown in 1957).

iquitos Mar 30, 2014 12:30 pm

NPR is reporting search coordination has been transferred to Australia.

iquitos Mar 30, 2014 6:28 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/australia-taps...4--sector.html Former Defense Chief named to coordinate MH 370 search.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03...-its-too-late/ Rush to find black box with search area still too vast for comfort.

NewbieRunner Mar 31, 2014 2:01 am

[AMSA] Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 31
31st March, 2014: 8.00am (AEDT)


*All times are expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving Time (AEDT). Please note all times are approximate.

Today's search and recovery operation in the Australian Search and Rescue Region for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is scheduled to commence about 9am AEDT this morning.

Today's search activities will involve a total of 10 aircraft.

They include one Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orion, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, one Japanese P3 Orion, a Japan Coast Guard Gulfstream jet, a Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon, two Royal Malaysian Air Force C-130 Hercules and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

The Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft is scheduled to depart about 9am.
The US Navy P8 Poseidon and RNZAF P3 Orion are scheduled to depart about 11am.

The Republic of Korea P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 11.30am.

The civil jet acting as communications relay is due to depart about 12pm.

The two Malaysian C130 Hercules aircraft are scheduled to depart about 1pm.

A RAAF P3 Orion is due to depart about 2pm.

The Japan Coast Guard Gulfstream jet is due to depart about 2.30pm following by the Japanese P3 Orion at about 3pm.

A total of 10 ships have also been tasked to today's search. This includes HMAS Success and HMAS Toowoomba, seven Chinese ships and a merchant vessel.

The ADV Ocean Shield is scheduled to depart from Perth today. It has now been fitted with a black box detector and an autonomous underwater vehicle.

Some parts of the search area will experience low cloud and rain throughout the day.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/docume...date31_000.pdf


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