Four Seasons/Ritz/St Regis destination club rentals?
Jun 13, 2013, 3:27 pm
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not "destination club" but residences, fractionals, timeshares
for example, FS punta mita fractional/residential condos (with private pools) are not in hotel inventory, and can be rented. Valveking owns FS punta mita fractional and has discussed here. also, FS hualalai residences (condos, townhomes, villas - some with pools) are not in inventory. they can be rented through hualalai resort and receive FS housekeeping, and golf/ocean condos (next to golf/ocean rooms) get FS room service. can also rent through independent real estate companies ( Valveking discussed doing this) or direct with owner, for less.
sometimes units that are in inventory can be rented for less direct with owner. for example, zigzag discussed doing a rental at setai miami. a while back there was an amanpuri owner who had their residence in an exchange program.
(not at resorts, but at city properties where not in inventory, sometimes there are minimum leases)
st regis has only has 2 fractionals, including new york, which has a number of fans here. but they have a number of residences. st regis bal harbour has gotten some really good comments here. st regis bali villas are also residences in hotel inventory and include beachfront with pool. RC FLL (Lauderdale) was built as st regis. RC FLL for example has minimum lease on the condo residences (some with swimming pool) which are separate from condohotel portion.
from another thread >
portico also has two 4BR villas with swimming pools at sea island cloister/lodge
(that are not in hotel inventory) (definitely leftover availability from exclusive resorts, which has 20)
actually mentioning a company >
NY condohotels seem to be unaffected by 30 day min lease law, which makes sense
for example, FS punta mita fractional/residential condos (with private pools) are not in hotel inventory, and can be rented. Valveking owns FS punta mita fractional and has discussed here. also, FS hualalai residences (condos, townhomes, villas - some with pools) are not in inventory. they can be rented through hualalai resort and receive FS housekeeping, and golf/ocean condos (next to golf/ocean rooms) get FS room service. can also rent through independent real estate companies ( Valveking discussed doing this) or direct with owner, for less.
sometimes units that are in inventory can be rented for less direct with owner. for example, zigzag discussed doing a rental at setai miami. a while back there was an amanpuri owner who had their residence in an exchange program.
(not at resorts, but at city properties where not in inventory, sometimes there are minimum leases)
st regis has only has 2 fractionals, including new york, which has a number of fans here. but they have a number of residences. st regis bal harbour has gotten some really good comments here. st regis bali villas are also residences in hotel inventory and include beachfront with pool. RC FLL (Lauderdale) was built as st regis. RC FLL for example has minimum lease on the condo residences (some with swimming pool) which are separate from condohotel portion.
from another thread >
presumably no availability, but >
exclusive resorts and portico
- little dix bay (ER owns 6 and portico has 2?)
- viceroy anguilla (ER owns 6 and portico has ?)
- RC grand cayman (villas that are not in hotel inventory) (ER owns 16 and portico has 2?)
portico may have properties at little dix and viceroy that are only available to portico members
(some portico properties are ones ER bought with intention to sell, and couldnt due to market)
could also be that portico only gets some (leftover?) avail from ER, thats definitely the case with RC grand cayman
the two relevant questions if considered >
1 is there availability
2 are the properties serviced by hotel or not, and are all hotel amenities included or not
portico
$2,500 initiation $2,500 annual
then per night
exclusive resorts trial
$26,220 / 10 nights = $2,622
$44,690 / 20 nights = $2,235 (if 2 residences simultaneously)
+ additional for holiday
exclusive resorts and portico
- little dix bay (ER owns 6 and portico has 2?)
- viceroy anguilla (ER owns 6 and portico has ?)
- RC grand cayman (villas that are not in hotel inventory) (ER owns 16 and portico has 2?)
portico may have properties at little dix and viceroy that are only available to portico members
(some portico properties are ones ER bought with intention to sell, and couldnt due to market)
could also be that portico only gets some (leftover?) avail from ER, thats definitely the case with RC grand cayman
the two relevant questions if considered >
1 is there availability
2 are the properties serviced by hotel or not, and are all hotel amenities included or not
portico
$2,500 initiation $2,500 annual
then per night
exclusive resorts trial
$26,220 / 10 nights = $2,622
$44,690 / 20 nights = $2,235 (if 2 residences simultaneously)
+ additional for holiday
(that are not in hotel inventory) (definitely leftover availability from exclusive resorts, which has 20)
actually mentioning a company >
The St. Regis: The pop up flat screen televisions at the ends of the beds were large and a nice design feature. The bathrooms could be refreshed though the shower pressure and toiletries we found superior to the FS. We stayed in both the hotel rooms and the residences. The residences provided exceptional value compared to booking through the hotel and I felt the residences were slightly better maintained than the hotel rooms. Luxury Jet was the name of the third party management company we booked through. We would use them again. Feel free to PM for more information.
Interesting. Although the [trump soho] site is not allowing a 1-night booking, it looks like you can still reserve a 1-night stay by using Jet Luxury Resorts.
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Jun 13, 2013, 9:17 pm
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I just typed a long response and it disappeared when I went to post it. This is a great way to travel especially with families. We have rented at various Four Seasons several times and had great experiences. We rented at Hualalai last summer and at the Four Seasons Jackson Hole for this August. We also own a fractional at Punta Mita which has been wonderful. Please PM me if you need any help renting at any of these places.
Jun 14, 2013, 10:34 am
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everything can be rented privately.
you may be thinking of city hotel residences that are not in hotel inventory having a minimum lease and other rules. maybe cooperative apartments can require board approval of person be rented to.
you may be thinking of city hotel residences that are not in hotel inventory having a minimum lease and other rules. maybe cooperative apartments can require board approval of person be rented to.
Jun 14, 2013, 10:36 am
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Jun 14, 2013, 10:58 am
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I've heard that renting to a arms length person is a real no no at FS residence clubs. All that VRBO stuff is against the purchase terms on the fractional
Jun 14, 2013, 11:02 am
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ah, i know one thing you may be referring to, when its a timbers/etc style setup incl for example "Rotating Priority System®" like FS palazzo tornabuoni, where you have unlimited use, as opposed to regular ownership. i did not mention this because palazzo tornabuoni is the only FS like this. timbers has hotels, and is like this, and there are others, but not really discussed here in the same way FS is.
from palazzo tornabuoni >
Use Restrictions: Members are prohibited from renting Club vacations of any type and from using confirmed vacations of any type for commercial purposes.
FS >
aviara - timeshare that is its own hotel now
jackson hole, vail, costa rica - fractional in hotel inventory i believe (only 5 units at costa rica, like 3 at exuma)
(when condohotel, hotel cant force you to use their system)
scottsdale - (mostly) timeshare not in hotel inventory
punta mita - fractional not in hotel inventory (recently sold/selling some as condos)
(when not offered in hotel, there is no option but to rent)
We own a private home at the Four Seasons Scottsdale, this is not a timeshare but rather we actually own it. We can use it whenever and go in and out of it whenever we want; it is our own.
We have a timeshare [fractional] at the Ritz-Carlton Club in St. Thomas. Basically we paid them the money and we use the place about three / four times a year.
We have a timeshare [fractional] at the Ritz-Carlton Club in St. Thomas. Basically we paid them the money and we use the place about three / four times a year.
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Jun 14, 2013, 11:25 am
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Jun 14, 2013, 11:35 am
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now that is odd.. are they included in hotel inventory or not? it is a situation where there are only 5 unit, sold as fractional instead of condo. probably by FS itself, if it is like the 3 units FS acquired at exuma. ah, did FS buy the 5 units specifically to have an exchange system available? cant imagine buying non-unlimited use that restricts rental.
first time i recall seeing a fixed/etc week property restricting rentals. maybe being in costa rica is factor.
first time i recall seeing a fixed/etc week property restricting rentals. maybe being in costa rica is factor.
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Jun 14, 2013, 12:47 pm
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now that is odd.. are they included in hotel inventory or not? it is a situation where there are only 5 unit, sold as fractional instead of condo. probably by FS itself, if it is like the 3 units FS acquired at exuma. ah, did FS buy the 5 units specifically to have an exchange system available? cant imagine buying non-unlimited use that restricts rental.
Jun 14, 2013, 2:12 pm
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you can trade/exchange with an owner. or talk to FS sales about trial if theyre not sold out.
tornabuoni also participates in an exchange program >
http://www.eliteallianceselect.com/properties.php
FS florence had a package once with this >
update >
not in hotel inventory >
sea island https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...iew-residences
RC grand cayman https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...sidences/coral
RC grand cayman https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...dences/starlet
theoretically might be in hotel inventory sometimes >
RC fort lauderdale https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...es/grand-canal
RC reservations says $1439 for 3BR on apr 23 2014, hotel unit should be #1603
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6238/97383944.png with huge/biggest terrace
edit - ER sold all their RC FLL units
tornabuoni also participates in an exchange program >
http://www.eliteallianceselect.com/properties.php
FS florence had a package once with this >
http://www.fourseasons.com/florence/...tail_3976.html
"After-concert standing dinner buffet for two in the Palazzo Tornabuoni" which is the residence club that FS now manages. presumably dinner would be in club lounge, which acts as a restaurant as well, for owners only.
http://www.palazzotornabuoni.com/news/pt_090401.pdf - public restaurant does the club catering
"After-concert standing dinner buffet for two in the Palazzo Tornabuoni" which is the residence club that FS now manages. presumably dinner would be in club lounge, which acts as a restaurant as well, for owners only.
http://www.palazzotornabuoni.com/news/pt_090401.pdf - public restaurant does the club catering
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On Saturday, November 7, 2009, the Stradivariuses of the Nippon Music Foundation and the Stradivari Archinto of the Royal Academy of London will be played in front of Michelangelo's David. The concert will be followed by a dinner reception with the musicians. Then enjoy the rehearsal or performance of The Cunning Little Vixen, an opera by Leos Janeck.
Two tickets to a concert
American breakfast for two served in Il Palagio or La Magnolia or through In-Room Dining
Round-trip transfers between the Hotel and the performance site
On November 7, 2009:
Preferred seating for up to two people at the Encounter with Stradivari in front of David by Michelangelo concert
After-concert standing dinner buffet for two in the Palazzo Tornabuoni
On Saturday, November 7, 2009, the Stradivariuses of the Nippon Music Foundation and the Stradivari Archinto of the Royal Academy of London will be played in front of Michelangelo's David. The concert will be followed by a dinner reception with the musicians. Then enjoy the rehearsal or performance of The Cunning Little Vixen, an opera by Leos Janeck.
Two tickets to a concert
American breakfast for two served in Il Palagio or La Magnolia or through In-Room Dining
Round-trip transfers between the Hotel and the performance site
On November 7, 2009:
Preferred seating for up to two people at the Encounter with Stradivari in front of David by Michelangelo concert
After-concert standing dinner buffet for two in the Palazzo Tornabuoni
not in hotel inventory >
sea island https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...iew-residences
RC grand cayman https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...sidences/coral
RC grand cayman https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...dences/starlet
theoretically might be in hotel inventory sometimes >
RC fort lauderdale https://www.inspirato.com/destinatio...es/grand-canal
RC reservations says $1439 for 3BR on apr 23 2014, hotel unit should be #1603
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6238/97383944.png with huge/biggest terrace
edit - ER sold all their RC FLL units
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