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Old Jan 11, 19, 8:10 am
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The Four Seasons is not up to usual FS standards and is also leaving FS in Jan 2020.
Wow, thats so sad! What gives? I have stayed quite a few times over the years and thought it was quite decent especially since the refurb.

Why cant Vancouver have a plethora of luxury (or even decent high end/new properties)? Its a real mystery to me but I confess I dont know much about how such things get decided.
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Old Jan 11, 19, 11:16 am
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The Four Seasons is not up to usual FS standards and is also leaving FS in Jan 2020.
FS is leasehold owner. lease expired. FS chose not to renew to 2035. (why bother?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Centre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Fairview
benefitscanada.com/news/cadillac-fairview-ups-toronto-ritz-carlton-stake-to-100-115230

re FS deflags: Four Seasons Canary Wharf (London, England)

whats highest upgrade at pac rim?
gold suites USD feb 13 flexible >
1001 800ft2 suite
1152 900ft2 owners
1830 1200ft2 corner
_____ 2230ft2 prime minister
_____ 2250ft2 chairman

rosewoodhotels.com/en/hotel-georgia-vancouver/accommodation/suites/lord-stanley-suite
rosewoodhotels.com/en/hotel-georgia-vancouver/accommodation/suites/rosewood-suite
travelandleisure.com/articles/rosewood-hotel-georgia-royal-suite

all had residential condos >
two SL , pacific rim owned by Westbank , Peterson Group
rosewood developer sold hotel in 2017
alwaleed built FS toronto , sold hotel to another billionaire

population
2.7m toronto
0.6m vancouver
0.9m san francisco (similar to vancouver for land and population)
article about sale/deflag of MO SF says hard to develop in SF
bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2015/01/hotel-transactions-san-francisco-rooms-lasalle.html

luxury hotels are not charities, even when they dont care about profit
these days most luxury hotels in cities have residential component

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Old Jan 11, 19, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
FS is leasehold owner. lease expired. FS chose not to renew.

what is highest upgrade at pac rim?
gold suites USD feb 13 flexible >
1001 800ft2 suite
1152 900ft2 owners
1830 1200ft2 corner
____ 2230ft2 prime minister
____ 2250ft2 chairman
Why?

Why did RC never open either? Why Vancouver (such a beautiful city within such a special region) struggle so much with quality. So sad.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 4:14 pm
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Wow, thats so sad! What gives? I have stayed quite a few times over the years and thought it was quite decent especially since the refurb.

Why cant Vancouver have a plethora of luxury (or even decent high end/new properties)? Its a real mystery to me but I confess I dont know much about how such things get decided.
Canada has a low density population in an area larger than the continental U.S. With only three cities of any size (YYZ, YUL and YVR) it lacks the demand for high level hospitality service although there are certainly isolated exceptions.
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Canada has a low density population in an area larger than the continental U.S. With only three cities of any size (YYZ, YUL and YVR) it lacks the demand for high level hospitality service although there are certainly isolated exceptions.
Yet Toronto gets decent business travel and tourists.. Vancouver is Tourist Central. Montreal is a renown tourist destination.
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Yet Toronto gets decent business travel and tourists.. Vancouver is Tourist Central. Montreal is a renown tourist destination.
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Canada has a low density population in an area larger than the continental U.S. With only three cities of any size (YYZ, YUL and YVR) it lacks the demand for high level hospitality service although there are certainly isolated exceptions.
Thats what has me confused. Vancouver has a lovely airport with seemingly high demand for premium travel and is a tourist center for all seasons. How is it that the properties there seem totally overpriced for being so mediocre or run down? I am surprised further that the 4S will be closing up shop vs renewing their lease.
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Thats what has me confused. Vancouver has a lovely airport with seemingly high demand for premium travel and is a tourist center for all seasons. How is it that the properties there seem totally overpriced for being so mediocre or run down? I am surprised further that the 4S will be closing up shop vs renewing their lease.
I bet FS will build a new one when the conditions are right or met.
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I plan to book Shangri-La Hotel, Vancouver. But for the free breakfast where is it and how much daily? ANd is the hotel still good?
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I plan to book Shangri-La Hotel, Vancouver. But for the free breakfast where is it and how much daily? ANd is the hotel still good?
I did not have a great experience last time I was there.
The hard product is starting to feel dated. I was in the 1 bedroom suite with terrace, having the terrace is nice, as I enjoyed sitting outside with my coffee in the morning. But the room was kind of small and the bathroom was nothing spectacular.

​​​Feels weird that you have to insert your key card into a little slot in the room to get power in the room, I've only ever seen that at low end hotels in Asia, never in a 5-star hotel.

The house car was never available when we needed it, and the doorman never apologized, just said "nope not available". There was minimal personalization, I got a welcome note from a friend who worked at the hotel, but that was it, I was never greeted by name anywhere on property.

The free breakfast is okay, it's a la carte but you can order as much as you want. I forgot the name of the restaurant that it was in, I don't believe it was market.

Hard product wise, I would recommend the Pac Rim, either the signature ofuruo room, or the corner suite in Gold. The owners suite is also super nice too (not to be confused with the crazy expensive chairman suite)

​​​​​​I also really like the one bedroom suite at the Hotel Georgia in Vancouver as well.

Several of my friends have bad good experiences at the Trump, but I have not stayed there.
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Thanks for your review and when did you stay? I never knew they provided a house car
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Thanks for your review and when did you stay? I never knew they provided a house car
Back in May for 3 nights
All the 5 star hotels except for four seasons have house cars.
Georgia is Bentley Flying Spur
Fairmonts are all BMWs
S550 at Shangrila
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are they free to use?
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are they free to use?
Most/all of the hotels mentioned offer free rides within the downtown area / within a ~5km radius on a first-come-first-served basis.

But if you tip the driver (which is generally expected), taking a taxi wouldn't be more expensive.

The same cars are often used for apre-booked airport transfers, "VIP shopping packages" etc., so availability of the cars may be rather limited.
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Back in May for 3 nights
All the 5 star hotels except for four seasons have house cars.
Georgia is Bentley Flying Spur
Fairmonts are all BMWs
S550 at Shangrila
House cars: common feature at luxury venues. There is a limit, often 3 or so miles circumference. First come, first served, no reservations. In a dozen attempts, this has worked once for me. It is in no way reliable and I no longer bother even trying.
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House cars: common feature at luxury venues. There is a limit, often 3 or so miles circumference. First come, first served, no reservations. In a dozen attempts, this has worked once for me. It is in no way reliable and I no longer bother even trying.
Ive had good luck with hotel Georgia, they've taken me outside of the 5km radius a few times, and for the most part the car is available.

And on a stay a while back, during the first day, i gave the driver a $50 tip, and for the rest of the stay I was able to book the car in advance. (Not gaurenteed, but they tried to hold the car for me). While in total I didn't save much compared to taxis, it's a lot more comfortable. Oh and Vancouver doesn't not have Uber, making the house car service even more beneficial.
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