Fly_IAD

That quote is classic, Im not sure if I would find it hysterical or turn around and leave if arriving at a property that advertised this 😂

chinmoylad

Yea I thought that was a weird one - it seems like a nice enough quick getaway resort for a short weekend, but also does seem a bit strange as a location/place if it were indeed to open as an Aman. Curious what you didn't like about it by the way...

One&Only Desaru Coast (and the other one in Greece or Montenegro?) were also intended as Amans weren't they?

chinmoylad

Oh no it's definitely possible to walk (or take the buggy) to use spa and other facilities. The villas themselves are separated but it's all WITHIN the villa compound.
What's curious is that Revivo ITSELF is separated - because it's two villas (or is it three? I thought it was three villas but might be mistaken) - it's not a single compound within the villa compound, it's quite literally two/three SEPARATE villas within the complex, with no internal link (obviously). So depending on which villa you are in and what facilities you are using, you may have to use the buggy and cross through the main Aman villas compound to get to your next Revivo facility.

It's a strange location IMO for the concept (healing/wellness - would definitely have picked somewhere a bit more remote I suppose for what they are trying to achieve and not middle of Nusa Dua - allows for convenience though I suppose) and also doesn't have beach access as I recall, and similarly doesn't have ocean views either, but at the same time if anyone is looking for Aman-designed villas at a great price, it's always an option! You don't have to participate in a wellness/healing retreat progrmame to stay there (though they prefer you do/encourage it).

chinmoylad

Same thing that happens to all properties under GHM, probably...

Actually surprised we haven't talked more about GHM in this thread - they must have the greatest number of incredible properties that have been deflagged from their original brand. Is that their whole operational model? Start it up then release it (somehow making a $$$ or two along the way - if they are even in operational profit) or are they just doing something very, very wrong that they keep losing all these incredible properties worldwide?
The Datai
The Surin
Tanah Gajah and The Legian

There are definitely more but those were/are standouts.

Speaking of, Zecha's new pet project Azerai - the Luang Prabang one was deflagged to an Avani+.

Soori is another great one that went independent - used to be Alila Villas Soori. This one, IMO, actually benefits from the deflag - always felt it was neglected/sort of pushed aside as an Alila property because of the iconic Alila Villas Uluawtu, but IMO it was (and is) the better of the two between Uluwatu and Soori.
They reportedly have a New York property in the pipeline but not sure where that is at now.

uclabruin82

Was the FS Hoi An originally a GHM resort? Not quite the same deflagging as the others mentioned, but a change.

MSPeconomist

That's a big step down IMO.

erik123

Correct. In 2016 GHM Nam Hai + 2 in Bali were sold and reflagged. It used to be quite a bit cheaper as GHM if I recall correctly.

Epicura

The Setai Miami is also a standout IMHO.

Also coming to mind:
- Frégate Island Private (ex Oetker)
- North Island (from hero to zero )
- Maia Seychelles recently (Tsogo Sun sold to Ananantara)
- Gili Lankanfushi (ex Soneva)
- Six Senses Bodrum Kaplankaya (ex Canyon Ranch and IIRC Canyon Ranch also took over from ? )
- Ventana Inn Big Sur (now Alila)

I even forgot a few for now:
- Le Guanahani St Bart went to Rosewood
- As did Cap Juluca Anguilla (now Belmond)

gator91

Four Seasons Philadelphia moved from Logan Square (by Swann Fountain) to 60 story Comcast Tower. The Logan Square property is fine - similar to Ritz Carlton Philadelphia deflag to a Westin at Liberty Place. Philly is a weird hotel town.

https://www.fourseasons.com/philadelphia/

stimpy

Since my post I stayed again in Philly at the Ritz C. Room service was horrible, but the manager took $100 of my room for my 1 night stay when I brought up the failings. And comped the dinner.

Right outside my window I could see the new W which is in the final stages of construction. With the morning sun I could see right into the rooms that had the curtains open and which are fully kitted out with everything except the sheets. It all looks very nice and supposedly due to open in January. So as other hotels close and get deflagged, new hotels open.

And yes, Philly is a strange town for hotels. The two hotels that I thought were correct for their range and price and met expectations are the Kimpton Palomar and Sofitel which happen to be across the street from each other.

sophialite

The Four Seasons Philly is still hands down the best in the city, and on par with my favorite city hotels in the world.

stimpy

Which FS? The Logan Square FS was terrible and they had to flee. I haven't tried the new Comcast property, but isn't that primarily to serve professional athletes and others attending matches?

Any why are we talking so much about Philly in this thread? Upthread it was mentioned some Trump hotels getting deflagged. I see now that only three city Trump hotels remain. New York, Washington, & Chicago. And there are seven golf and resort Trumps out there. You wonder how they stay busy with COVID and politics, but I can say that the New York and Washington properties always seem busy. I have an apartment near the Trump NYC. I drive by there often and always see guests coming and going. And when I'm in DC my regular hotel the Willard is very close to the Trump hotel and it too always seems busy. But how is the Chicago property still operating?

GUWonder

The Trump Chicago property was unloading rooms pretty cheaply via Hotwire "opaque" bookings not too long before this pandemic hit Chicago too. Pretty much the same for the Trump Vegas property last year too. The Trump DC property has very high rates for DC and maintains its own high rates way more (and higher) than the nearby Willard. The Trump International NYC is a mixed hotel-residence building and the people that have used it for 20+ years have mostly pretty much continued to use it as usual. Its rates aren't holding up as strongly as the DC property, but they haven't dived as badly as some of the other Trump branded properties were doing so even pre-Q2 2020.

MSPeconomist

It's quirky but I've always enjoyed the Hyatt atop the Bellevue (under various names), although I've always had at least a junior suite and once a stunning large corner senior (one bedroom) suite.

Goodmorning2U

In graduate school I stayed a few times at the Four Seasons Canary Wharf and enjoyed their pool, gym, spa, and the panoramic views of the Thames very much. I visited it again after it deflagged and everything was ok till the front desk staff got into a fight in front of me regarding simply printing my bill. The magic really did leave when Four Seasons left.