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KatW Jan 17, 2019 12:04 pm

I note that the OP placed quote marks around secret in his title so I don't think he was using the word strictly. The reaction of some here has been interesting reading.

I don't mind admitting I was ignorant of many of the super luxe bennies accompanying high end travel, especially flying. Two flights in AF's La Premiere served as eye openers and upcoming flights with AA's Five Star Service will, no doubt, do the same.

Kagehitokiri Jan 17, 2019 12:14 pm

for example airports in germany, switzerland, netherlands, london all advertise VVIP services on their websites

paris airport has sold VVIP / VIP in past (and via hotel) if i remember correctly, not sure how it compares to AF F

up for interpretation >


Originally Posted by BOStonTravels (Post 30640622)
and might not be obvious/well advertised

(for example, 99% of the time my interpretation differs vs how others use "afford" , "money-is-no-object" , "overrated")

scented Jan 17, 2019 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 30667128)
for example airports in germany, switzerland, netherlands, london all advertise VVIP services on their websites

paris airport has sold VVIP / VIP in past (and via hotel) if i remember correctly, not sure how it compares to AF F

up for interpretation >



(for example, 99% of the time my interpretation differs vs how others use "afford" , "money-is-no-object" , "overrated")

The Private Suite at LAX: one way international service approx $4,000 USD
Frankfurt Fraport VIP Services: one way international service approx $800 USD

All over Europe (except London) prices vary, though quite similar. Easy decision in Frankfurt and service was better compared to LA.

FS offers Private Suite as part of package, IIRC they are billed a fraction.

Kagehitokiri Jan 17, 2019 12:44 pm

press.fourseasons.com/news-releases/2018/the-private-suite-at-lax
robbreport.com/travel/destinations/vip-lax-terminal-partners-partners-luxury-hotels-2789715/

partnerships with Four Seasons’ five Hawaii and Bora Bora properties, Ritz-Carlton, Los Angeles, Waldorf Astoria Beverly Hills, and Montage Beverly Hills.
united airlines can offer it pretty cheaply for shared lounge, rather than private room
FRA VVIP for example sells private rooms separately from entry cost, vs LAX / LHR
VVIP in los angeles (1st US/CA), heathrow (& china?) are more expensive vs others

can't recall re paris, except >
conciergerie-paris-airport.com
says VIP and VVIP "ultimate"
also says AmEX 'partner'

aa213bb Jan 17, 2019 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by KatW (Post 30667083)
Two flights in AF's La Premiere served as eye openers and upcoming flights with AA's Five Star Service will, no doubt, do the same.

From your lips to god’s ears, though I think expecting AA anything to be even a fraction as special as AF’s La Premiere is ... charmingly hopeful. ;)

KatW Jan 17, 2019 2:25 pm

American Five Star Service is a premium product available for purchase only when booked into biz or first. It is not itself a flight class. In cases where connections are tight or airport difficult, can be worth the hefty fee. Frequently includes tarmac transfer to connecting flight. https://www.aa.com/i18n/plan-travel/...ar-service.jsp

aa213bb Jan 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Oh, I’m fully aware of what it is. And I hope it is equally as wonderful for you and Jim as the AF La Premiere ground experiences. Do report back, please.

edgewood49 Jan 17, 2019 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by KatW (Post 30667735)
American Five Star Service is a premium product available for purchase only when booked into biz or first. It is not itself a flight class. In cases where connections are tight or airport difficult, can be worth the hefty fee. Frequently includes tarmac transfer to connecting flight. https://www.aa.com/i18n/plan-travel/...ar-service.jsp

I have a hard time with AA offering 5 star I mean really, Frankly they lack the "class" to offer anything other than meh with Dougie as CEO

Kagehitokiri Jan 18, 2019 10:32 am

dont think AA five star or DL vip select ever guarantee immigration or tarmac

going back to comparing hotels and air, there is no comparison
outside forum, many fly premium to hotel, but most dont use VIP
(also some fly private whether 'charter' or owned)
kind of like most not doing aman, laucala, safari, etc
much higher demand would mean much higher price

CanuckFlyHigh Jan 18, 2019 11:23 am

Fairmont Gold have just gone through a big reno in Canada Gold floors of Fairmont's are really incredible.

edgewood49 Jan 18, 2019 11:52 am


Originally Posted by CanuckFlyHigh (Post 30671451)
Fairmont Gold have just gone through a big reno in Canada Gold floors of Fairmont's are really incredible.

I really like Fairmont just too small a footprint for me other than Hawaii and Santa Monica

m0hamed Jan 20, 2019 11:14 am

Somehow I missed this thread!

The HR Sharm is def not a luxury property, and my last stay was one of the worst ever. The Regency Club private beach is definitely a great benefit and I told the GM they need to advertise it more. But in keeping with the theme:

RC Bali has a clubhouse with private pool. The food in the club is far superior to that in the main restaurant and the special items include Lobster Omelettes and Steak and Eggs.

The Palazzo Versace Dubai has an Executive Lounge only for suite guests. I have several friends that have booked suites and never knew of its existence. The mini bar was also comped in the rooms. The Residences (Apartments) in the hotel have their own facilities.

When we visited the FS Hoi An booking a Pool Villa meant we had free use of the hotel limo at all times, including airport transfers, afternoon tea with cocktails in villa and complimentary mini bar. We saw decanters of Gin, Vodka and Whiskey and didn't realise they were complimentary until the second last day of the stay.

I've been to the HR Danang and like the RC Bali I wouldn't want to swim in a pool in full view of the guests in the club lounge, but we tend to book private pool villas where we can.

offerendum Jan 20, 2019 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by m0hamed (Post 30678421)
The Palazzo Versace Dubai has an Executive Lounge only for suite guests. I have several friends that have booked suites and never knew of its existence. The mini bar was also comped in the rooms. The Residences (Apartments) in the hotel have their own facilities.

If they don´t inform guests about it service seems to be terrible.

Raffles Jan 20, 2019 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by jonjparr (Post 30653976)
Malakiya Villas at Madinat Jumeirah



Despite having been to MJ about 15 times I still don't understand the villas. Last time we were in a DAM villa directly opposite so we walked past them a lot. Peering through the windows, to the extent you can, they didn't seem crazily luxurious. The pricing is crazy however.

The only thing worth knowing is that there is a secret door behind the Malakiya Villas which takes you directly into the souk - this is also handy if you are in a DAM villa nearby. Anyone can go 'villas to souk' (the door opens by pushing a button), but to go 'souk to villas' requires a villas key card.

m0hamed Jan 21, 2019 2:33 am


Originally Posted by offerendum (Post 30679092)
If they don´t inform guests about it service seems to be terrible.

I think the term ‘Executive Lounge’ makes it sound like a business centre.

it is listed in the room descriptions but they certainly informed us.


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