Luxury Resort for First Time Snorkeler
#46
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hawai'i
Posts: 122
For those considering full face masks, this is cautionary-
https://hawaiioceanproject.com/why-w...snorkel-masks/
https://hawaiioceanproject.com/why-w...snorkel-masks/
#47
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The Ritz Carlton and Kapalua (Montage) do not share the same beach. Those beaches could not be more different. Whereas the Montage sits on a protected, white sand cove and rarely sees any waves and offers excellent snorkeling, the RC Beach is where my kids used to go surfing or ride boogie boards.
https://www.kapalua.com
#48
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 1,615
This sort of sums up what I feel about Hawaii. It is such a spectacular and beautiful place which American corporations have done their utmost to destroy. Kapalua used to be remote and fairly wild. Now it's got bigger, bigger, bigger and the whole beauty of the location has been buried under a sea of condos, free-form pools, golf courses and general ticky-tacky crap. It's why I will never go back to Hawaii and it's why I'll always go back to French Polynesia because this sort of crass over-development hasn't happened, despite a few eyesores like those rows of OWBs on Bora Bora.
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#49
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: BKK
Posts: 6,741
This sort of sums up what I feel about Hawaii. It is such a spectacular and beautiful place which American corporations have done their utmost to destroy. Kapalua used to be remote and fairly wild. Now it's got bigger, bigger, bigger and the whole beauty of the location has been buried under a sea of condos, free-form pools, golf courses and general ticky-tacky crap. It's why I will never go back to Hawaii and it's why I'll always go back to French Polynesia because this sort of crass over-development hasn't happened, despite a few eyesores like those rows of OWBs on Bora Bora.
What is your favorite resort in French Polynesia?
#50
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This sort of sums up what I feel about Hawaii. It is such a spectacular and beautiful place which American corporations have done their utmost to destroy. Kapalua used to be remote and fairly wild. Now it's got bigger, bigger, bigger and the whole beauty of the location has been buried under a sea of condos, free-form pools, golf courses and general ticky-tacky crap. It's why I will never go back to Hawaii and it's why I'll always go back to French Polynesia because this sort of crass over-development hasn't happened, despite a few eyesores like those rows of OWBs on Bora Bora.
#51
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 695
We took our son all over the Caribbean, the Bahamas and Mexico since he was an infant. He started snorkeling at 4yo but didn't really "get it" until he was 6-7yo.
The VI (US and British) does not have the type of luxury described/desired by posters on this forum. However, the islands are beautiful and safe. Caneel would have been perfect for the age of your son (we had several fantastic family trips) but it remains closed.
Oil Nut Bay is very isolated. Virgin Gorda is a very quiet island. There are many very nice from the beach snorkeling areas. Spring Bay offers the opportunity for kids to jump off the boulders. The villas on Mahoe Bay have daily housekeeping and cooks can be hired for a reasonable rate. We rented there several times and the staff always wanted to babysit our son. The reefs along Mahoe would provide ample snorkeling for a beginner.
Provo, Turks & Cacios would be prefer in the summer but reef snorkeling from shore is limited.
The VI (US and British) does not have the type of luxury described/desired by posters on this forum. However, the islands are beautiful and safe. Caneel would have been perfect for the age of your son (we had several fantastic family trips) but it remains closed.
Oil Nut Bay is very isolated. Virgin Gorda is a very quiet island. There are many very nice from the beach snorkeling areas. Spring Bay offers the opportunity for kids to jump off the boulders. The villas on Mahoe Bay have daily housekeeping and cooks can be hired for a reasonable rate. We rented there several times and the staff always wanted to babysit our son. The reefs along Mahoe would provide ample snorkeling for a beginner.
Provo, Turks & Cacios would be prefer in the summer but reef snorkeling from shore is limited.
#52
The last few posts sound like a perfect summary of why I’ve avoided Hawaii thus far. And yet, here I am. 
I’ve been following the Hawaii thread for the last year. These would all be in consideration.
Big Island
- FS Hualalai
- Mauna Kea (manta rays!)
Maui
- Montage
Lanai
- FS
Kauai
- St.R Princeville
- Timbers
Haven’t ruled out Oil Nut Bay, though.
Thanks for the great feedback, everyone. Lots to think about.

I’ve been following the Hawaii thread for the last year. These would all be in consideration.
Big Island
- FS Hualalai
- Mauna Kea (manta rays!)
Maui
- Montage
Lanai
- FS
Kauai
- St.R Princeville
- Timbers
Haven’t ruled out Oil Nut Bay, though.
Thanks for the great feedback, everyone. Lots to think about.
#53
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: BKK
Posts: 6,741
The last few posts sound like a perfect summary of why Ive avoided Hawaii thus far. And yet, here I am. 
Ive been following the Hawaii thread for the last year. These would all be in consideration.
Big Island
- FS Hualalai
- Mauna Kea (manta rays!)
Maui
- Montage
Lanai
- FS
Kauai
- St.R Princeville
- Timbers
Havent ruled out Oil Nut Bay, though.
Thanks for the great feedback, everyone. Lots to think about.

Ive been following the Hawaii thread for the last year. These would all be in consideration.
Big Island
- FS Hualalai
- Mauna Kea (manta rays!)
Maui
- Montage
Lanai
- FS
Kauai
- St.R Princeville
- Timbers
Havent ruled out Oil Nut Bay, though.
Thanks for the great feedback, everyone. Lots to think about.
While St. Regis Princeville does certainly have amazing views, friends of mine - who are normally St.Regis fans and have platinum status with Marriott/Starwood - avoid it because the hotel itself is a very large property and not very attractive. Its a big box, luxury mass market property. They do, however, love Kauai and regularly visit other resorts there.
#54
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 1,615
MikeFromTokyo asked me this and the answer isn't simple. I have favourite islands rather than hotels. However, I have a rather sinister history of closing hotels in which I stay. I stayed a few times at the Hyatt Regency (formerly the Tarara I think) on Tahiti and I loved that, especially the location. That closed down. I've stayed at the Hilton on Tahiti which had the best position of all. That closed down. I stayed a few times at the Hotel Bora Bora and we all know what happened to that and I mourn its loss every day. I stayed at the Bora Bora Lagoon Resort, owned by Orient Express, and that was blown away by a cyclone and never re-opened. Finally, I stayed at a Sofitel on Huahine - a gorgeous location, a lousy hotel and it closed down.
So I like Tahiti itself, Bora Bora and Huahine. These days I would opt for a simple business hotel in downtown Papeete or maybe the Pearl up on Matavai Bay. I loathe the Inter-Continental. On Bora Bora I would only opt for the Pearl which has the absolute classic view and it's on its own motu. The FS, St Regis etc are on the other side of the lagoon all in a deadly row like a honeymoon battery farm. I've never found a hotel I like on Moorea - the Hilton seems to get most people's vote but I find it claustrophobic. Nice snorkelling though. The Sofitel Moorea was OK until they built the OWBs. I much prefer Huahine and might try it out again later this year - there are a couple of nice looking three-star options, especially the Maitai Lapita which is on the site of the old Bali Hai. Finally the Tuamotus - I like these atolls more than the high islands and would return to Rangiroa or Tikehau in a heartbeat. I've yet to show up at The Brando - I'll pay that sort of money for an expedition cruise but not for a hotel like that and while it certainly has its appealing aspects I think I'd feel uncomfortable with the crowd there. And they with me.
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#55
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 167
I really love StR Bora Bora. I find the staff attentive and helpful, something that has been consistent for all of my stays. The location is great, and the overwater villas are spacious and well designed. Jean Georges is fabulous, and undoubtedly the best restaurant in the country. Definitely less keen on the FS though.
#56
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: La Jolla, California
Programs: KrisFlyer Gold, SWA CP
Posts: 1,109
Sort of puzzled by the responses here, so I ask the OP:
- Does the snorkeling have to be good or does a 7-year old not care?
- Can I get you to consider removing the SA requirement?
The best snorkeling I've done, by a wide margin, was just off my beach shack at Hotel Bora Bora. That sadly is not an option. I, as with many others here, mourn that this hotel has closed for good. That was a bad day when I heard the news. I think you should consider Bora Bora. The lagoon has the best snorkeling I've ever seen.
Confused by the accolades given to Kings Pond at FS Hualalai. I must have missed something. I find it cold and uninteresting. I never make it a point to try it when I visit. And the beaches at FS Hualalai are not swimmable. The turtles are interesting, but that gets old after a few minutes.
Second best snorkeling was at Lizard Island, but that might be too pricey. I wonder if anything at Cozumel meets your requirements.
- Does the snorkeling have to be good or does a 7-year old not care?
- Can I get you to consider removing the SA requirement?
The best snorkeling I've done, by a wide margin, was just off my beach shack at Hotel Bora Bora. That sadly is not an option. I, as with many others here, mourn that this hotel has closed for good. That was a bad day when I heard the news. I think you should consider Bora Bora. The lagoon has the best snorkeling I've ever seen.
Confused by the accolades given to Kings Pond at FS Hualalai. I must have missed something. I find it cold and uninteresting. I never make it a point to try it when I visit. And the beaches at FS Hualalai are not swimmable. The turtles are interesting, but that gets old after a few minutes.
Second best snorkeling was at Lizard Island, but that might be too pricey. I wonder if anything at Cozumel meets your requirements.
#57
Moderator: Delta SkyMiles, Luxury Hotels, TravelBuzz! and Italy
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 26,386
Sort of puzzled by the responses here, so I ask the OP:
- Does the snorkeling have to be good or does a 7-year old not care?
- Can I get you to consider removing the SA requirement?
The best snorkeling I've done, by a wide margin, was just off my beach shack at Hotel Bora Bora. That sadly is not an option. I, as with many others here, mourn that this hotel has closed for good. That was a bad day when I heard the news. I think you should consider Bora Bora. The lagoon has the best snorkeling I've ever seen.
Confused by the accolades given to Kings Pond at FS Hualalai. I must have missed something. I find it cold and uninteresting. I never make it a point to try it when I visit. And the beaches at FS Hualalai are not swimmable. The turtles are interesting, but that gets old after a few minutes.
Second best snorkeling was at Lizard Island, but that might be too pricey. I wonder if anything at Cozumel meets your requirements.
- Does the snorkeling have to be good or does a 7-year old not care?
- Can I get you to consider removing the SA requirement?
The best snorkeling I've done, by a wide margin, was just off my beach shack at Hotel Bora Bora. That sadly is not an option. I, as with many others here, mourn that this hotel has closed for good. That was a bad day when I heard the news. I think you should consider Bora Bora. The lagoon has the best snorkeling I've ever seen.
Confused by the accolades given to Kings Pond at FS Hualalai. I must have missed something. I find it cold and uninteresting. I never make it a point to try it when I visit. And the beaches at FS Hualalai are not swimmable. The turtles are interesting, but that gets old after a few minutes.
Second best snorkeling was at Lizard Island, but that might be too pricey. I wonder if anything at Cozumel meets your requirements.
#58
So sad to hear everyone talking about Hotel Bora Bora. We honeymooned in one of those “beach shacks”. We woke up very early in the morning, walked right out the door and into the water with our snorkel gear. The colorful little fishes swam at us from all directions....they were very well fed and so friendly. That’s exactly the kind of experience I’d like to share with my son.
So, I just did a search for 3 business class tickets to Bora Bora. $6500-$7500 each. That puts us at about $20,000 in tickets. We can’t justify that when we have enough miles to go anywhere else in the world.
We’ll have to think about this a great deal. Rethink what’s most important. The Star Alliance component is a must, however. (unless we end up somewhere closer to home).
Thanks again, everyone.
So, I just did a search for 3 business class tickets to Bora Bora. $6500-$7500 each. That puts us at about $20,000 in tickets. We can’t justify that when we have enough miles to go anywhere else in the world.

We’ll have to think about this a great deal. Rethink what’s most important. The Star Alliance component is a must, however. (unless we end up somewhere closer to home).
Thanks again, everyone.
#59
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: BKK
Posts: 6,741
Given the ease of getting to Hawaii on United, and that you still have yet to go there, it seems like a perfect opportunity to try it. Snorkeling does not have to be Planet Earth level to be enjoyable for a seven year old. And wherever you go, he can learn how to snorkel for future trips to the Maldives, French Polynesia, North Island, etc...
For future trips, it is relatively easy to get Air France or Air Tahiti Nui award tickets if you have the right miles. AA miles work on Tahiti Nui, and AF/Sky Team on air france. These miles are also attainable through credit card spend, including Amex Membership Rewards. Also, if you do any stays at point earning hotels, those points can often be converted to miles.
Since you have already plenty of UA miles, if you know there will be a trip to Bora Bora coming up, it might be a good idea to accrue miles for that purpose. Just in case you do not feel like dropping $20k on airline tickets
. Also, be sure to check for discounted fares for children, as you know they can be significantly lower than regular adult fares.
For future trips, it is relatively easy to get Air France or Air Tahiti Nui award tickets if you have the right miles. AA miles work on Tahiti Nui, and AF/Sky Team on air france. These miles are also attainable through credit card spend, including Amex Membership Rewards. Also, if you do any stays at point earning hotels, those points can often be converted to miles.
Since you have already plenty of UA miles, if you know there will be a trip to Bora Bora coming up, it might be a good idea to accrue miles for that purpose. Just in case you do not feel like dropping $20k on airline tickets

Last edited by MikeFromTokyo; Oct 25, 18 at 2:14 pm
#60
And IF we end up in Hawaii, we can probably set aside the notion of walking out the door to spectacular snorkeling. I’m sure there are nice little snorkel spots we can drive to. Thank you, great concierge.