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Luxury Hotel in Tokyo & Kyoto with 2 kids

Old Aug 5, 18, 10:31 pm
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Luxury Hotel in Tokyo & Kyoto with 2 kids

We are looking to travel to Tokyo and Kyoto for 8 days during Spring Break in 2019. It will be from end of March to the first week of April. We want to evaluate luxury hotels (like Four Seasons, Peninsula, Ritz, etc.). I started looking into Tokyo/Kyoto hotels for 2 adults and 2 kids (10&5). I have stayed at the Peninsula Tokyo in the past and it was solid but rooms were Ok. I hear great things about RC club-level. Also, do these hotels accommodate 4 people in a room? Right now I am seeing rates for RC or Four Seasons at $1400+/night.

Am I searching too early? When is the right time to search? If I were to go one option lower, which hotels should I look at in both Tokyo and Kyoto?

Thanks for your help!
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Old Aug 6, 18, 2:42 am
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Speaking of Kyoto, are room rates there always that high? I have an upcoming Japan itinerary in November this year, and the RC Kyoto is the most expensive accommodation by far, the entry-level room at the RC is more expensive than the middle category at the Amans - 1500 USD per night for a basic Deluxe Room!
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Old Aug 6, 18, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by vienna-resident View Post
Speaking of Kyoto, are room rates there always that high? I have an upcoming Japan itinerary in November this year, and the RC Kyoto is the most expensive accommodation by far, the entry-level room at the RC is more expensive than the middle category at the Amans - 1500 USD per night for a basic Deluxe Room!
Rates in Kyoto can be very high during peak demand periods, which is driven by both domestic and international travelers (mostly from within Asia) for whom Kyoto is very popular. Personally, I plan around those periods and stay at the high end properties when I can get them at a reasonable rate. I have been to Kyoto many times and could never justify $1,500/night for stanard accommodation there. But, if this is a once in a lifetime trip, or if money is no object and your travel dates are inflexible, it could be worth it for you.

I壇 sooner stay at the Hyatt and spend the leftover $1,200++ on dinner at Kitcho.
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Old Aug 6, 18, 8:47 am
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Rates in Kyoto can be very high during peak demand periods, which is driven by both domestic and international travelers (mostly from within Asia) for whom Kyoto is very popular. Personally, I plan around those periods and stay at the high end properties when I can get them at a reasonable rate. I have been to Kyoto many times and could never justify $1,500/night for stanard accommodation there. But, if this is a once in a lifetime trip, or if money is no object and your travel dates are inflexible, it could be worth it for you.

I壇 sooner stay at the Hyatt and spend the leftover $1,200++ on dinner at Kitcho.
I knew going in that Kyoto is popular and rates would be high, but I - naively so - expected mid-November in Japan to be off-peak period. The FS is in the same price range as the RC. the Hyatt is fully booked and the other options don't look appealing. I do have flexible dates, but even +/- 10 days the rates are the same, even mid-week or Sun-Wed. Seeing that the OP mentions similar rates for March, I wonder when it's non-peak period?
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@nealsense spring break is extremely popular in Japan for families, particularly Kyoto and Tokyo because it coincides with time off from school in Japan and cherry blossom season. We visited Japan a couple years ago over spring break with kids (Nagoya, Osaka and Tokyo) - lots of waits for anything touristy or family based. Don't even bother with Disney if that was on the agenda because it took us an hour to even get inside the gates, 3 hours to get on one not-so-popular ride, etc.

As for the hotels, most luxury western hotels can accommodate 4 in a room with 2 doubles or 2 queen beds. We didn't have any issues with that. We didn't stay at the 5 star hotels though. We really enjoyed the InterContinental brand hotels in Japan, particularly with lounge access.

Be aware that most hotel lounges do not admit children at all or children after 5 pm, so you need to inquire if the hotel provides for alternate arrangements (most do). Same with pools - there are set hours for family swim.
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Originally Posted by vienna-resident View Post
I knew going in that Kyoto is popular and rates would be high, but I - naively so - expected mid-November in Japan to be off-peak period. T
November is peak... based on my notes for Ritz Kyoto rates drop off from 28 November until just before festive.
October should be less busy and Ritz has a 4th night free offer then
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Originally Posted by vienna-resident View Post
I knew going in that Kyoto is popular and rates would be high, but I - naively so - expected mid-November in Japan to be off-peak period. The FS is in the same price range as the RC. the Hyatt is fully booked and the other options don't look appealing. I do have flexible dates, but even +/- 10 days the rates are the same, even mid-week or Sun-Wed. Seeing that the OP mentions similar rates for March, I wonder when it's non-peak period?
In such cases I often choose to stay in Osaka at the Ritz-Carlton and take the train to and from Kyoto and other places for day trips. Or, I stay at one of the mid range hotels in Kyoto if I do not need “luxury” on that occasion.

Mid week stays are better. Throughout they year there is demand for weekend stays at the high-end properties from the local Japanese market.

This is one place where I used to use Hyatt “guaranteed availability” with much success, back when I had status.

Incidentally, if you are looking for Osaka accommodation, the InterContinental Ambassador weekend night certificate can be a phenomenal deal there if used at the right times, FYI.

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Thanks for the pointers. I went to RC website and they don't publish any kind of deals after Dec. 31st, 2018. Do you think it's too early or should I actively be trying to secure rooms in Tokyo and Kyoto for March 31st - April 7th timeframe? If properties like RC/MO don't work, I will look at 1 notch lower like Grand Hyatt that I have stayed in the past and was quite decent though very business-oriented.

RC Osaka is a great idea. Will look into that. I will also check out the Intercontinental properties in Tokyo and Kyoto.
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Originally Posted by nealsense View Post
Thanks for the pointers. I went to RC website and they don't publish any kind of deals after Dec. 31st, 2018. Do you think it's too early or should I actively be trying to secure rooms in Tokyo and Kyoto for March 31st - April 7th timeframe? If properties like RC/MO don't work, I will look at 1 notch lower like Grand Hyatt that I have stayed in the past and was quite decent though very business-oriented.

RC Osaka is a great idea. Will look into that. I will also check out the Intercontinental properties in Tokyo and Kyoto.
It’s never too early to lock in availability - just make sure rate is fully flexible and cancellable - you can always adjust the rate downwards later on if rates go down or a promotion becomes available.

Go with R-C Tokyo club level if at all possible. Or MO, Aman, Andaz, etc... Grand Hyatt is also perfectly good and has some great restaurants and bars as you note. The Executive Suites and some rooms on higher floors have great views.

R-C, IC, and StR Osaka are good choices.

I would not particularly recommend IC in Tokyo. There are countless better options at that price level.

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@nealsense spring break is extremely popular in Japan for families, particularly Kyoto and Tokyo because it coincides with time off from school in Japan and cherry blossom season. We visited Japan a couple years ago over spring break with kids (Nagoya, Osaka and Tokyo) - lots of waits for anything touristy or family based. Don't even bother with Disney if that was on the agenda because it took us an hour to even get inside the gates, 3 hours to get on one not-so-popular ride, etc.
We will be in Japan for two weeks in April 2019 and were planning to spend our son's birthday at Disney. It falls on a Tuesday and I thought we'd be okay with crowds, but your post has me rethinking things. What day(s) were you at Tokyo Disney please? Thank you.
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We will be in Japan for two weeks in April 2019 and were planning to spend our son's birthday at Disney. It falls on a Tuesday and I thought we'd be okay with crowds, but your post has me rethinking things. What day(s) were you at Tokyo Disney please? Thank you.
We were there at the end of March/early April in 2016. We were at Disney 2 nights Tuesday to Thursday staying at the Disney hotel. I posted this in another post, but the early morning 15 mins extra passes were of no use because the line to get in took over an hour long before the park even opened.
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Originally Posted by nealsense View Post
We are looking to travel to Tokyo and Kyoto for 8 days during Spring Break in 2019. It will be from end of March to the first week of April. We want to evaluate luxury hotels (like Four Seasons, Peninsula, Ritz, etc.). I started looking into Tokyo/Kyoto hotels for 2 adults and 2 kids (10&5). I have stayed at the Peninsula Tokyo in the past and it was solid but rooms were Ok. I hear great things about RC club-level. Also, do these hotels accommodate 4 people in a room? Right now I am seeing rates for RC or Four Seasons at $1400+/night.

Am I searching too early? When is the right time to search? If I were to go one option lower, which hotels should I look at in both Tokyo and Kyoto?

Thanks for your help!
Uh, what- you thought the rooms at the Peninsula Tokyo were just "okay"??? WOW- they must have put you in the smaller broom closet.
I thought the room was wonderful and the rest of the place just on par (with my expectations for that type of place).
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Originally Posted by AtomicLush View Post
We were there at the end of March/early April in 2016. We were at Disney 2 nights Tuesday to Thursday staying at the Disney hotel. I posted this in another post, but the early morning 15 mins extra passes were of no use because the line to get in took over an hour long before the park even opened.
Thanks so much for responding and clarifying. We may need to reconsider Disney.
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Uh, what- you thought the rooms at the Peninsula Tokyo were just "okay"??? WOW- they must have put you in the smaller broom closet.
I thought the room was wonderful and the rest of the place just on par (with my expectations for that type of place).
I love Peninsula. I very much want to like the Tokyo property, but unfortunately I find the experience to be death by a thousand paper cuts. It does have very nice rooms, and particularly the Deluxe Suites are nice.

For service quality, F&B, etc... FS Marunouchi, Ritz-Carlton, MO, and others beat it by far, any day of the week.

As I said, I would love to be proven wrong on this. But I gave it many chances and eventually wrote it off. There are just too many better choices to bother with it, sadly.
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Originally Posted by janehoya View Post
Thanks so much for responding and clarifying. We may need to reconsider Disney.
You might be okay if you go towards the end of your vacation as most kids would have returned to school by the first week of April (we were there the 1st week) and it is the end of Blossom season. Check this calendar as it gets closer to your trip: ディズニーランド ディズニーシー 混雑予想カレンダー It will give you a better sense of what kind of crowd it expects, but isn't accurate until a few weeks before your anticipated dates.
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