Is Aman building in Kyoto
Feb 4, 2019, 5:45 am
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Feb 4, 2019, 11:56 am
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kyoto >
interior similar to 2013 kerry hill book
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/64943757jw1e2xka0uqhdj.jpg
feb 2017 gallivanters guide heard resumed
(below ise = nemu, opened mar 2016)
11/27/2013 nikkei article, says construction may 2014
dec 2012 >
Star Union Trading Limited acquired other 67% stake on sep 21 2012 for $5m
during mar 2010 > mar 2013 DLF expended $3m on their 33% stake in aman kyoto
in 2007 natural park sold to aman a 33% stake in aman kyoto (plus land in croatia)
is / was called Kyoto Resorts YK and was originally land acquisition
vs >
new - new york (doronin acquired 2015) and cabo
maybe never - costa rica - if residences dont presell
interior similar to 2013 kerry hill book
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/64943757jw1e2xka0uqhdj.jpg
feb 2017 gallivanters guide heard resumed
(below ise = nemu, opened mar 2016)
11/27/2013 nikkei article, says construction may 2014
dec 2012 >
Star Union Trading Limited acquired other 67% stake on sep 21 2012 for $5m
during mar 2010 > mar 2013 DLF expended $3m on their 33% stake in aman kyoto
in 2007 natural park sold to aman a 33% stake in aman kyoto (plus land in croatia)
is / was called Kyoto Resorts YK and was originally land acquisition
vs >
new - new york (doronin acquired 2015) and cabo
maybe never - costa rica - if residences dont presell
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Feb 5, 2019, 3:36 am
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Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
Feb 5, 2019, 3:57 am
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Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material.
2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't.
3) I agree, this remains to be seen.
4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it.
I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do.
Feb 5, 2019, 4:12 am
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Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
Most luxury properties in Kyoto require a taxi to go places and this isn't any different.
I would hope they could do decent kyoryori since we're in Kyoto!
Feb 5, 2019, 8:47 am
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Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical.
2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life.
3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine.
4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience.
This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment.
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife
3) Remains to be seen
4) Remains to be soon
It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see.
Feb 5, 2019, 9:29 am
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I can be critical of the 'new' Aman but...
1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material.
2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't.
3) I agree, this remains to be seen.
4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it.
I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do.
1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material.
2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't.
3) I agree, this remains to be seen.
4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it.
I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do.
1) He's designed the other two Japanese Amans, and many other Amans - why Kerry Hill in Bali? There's already Hoshinoya, and a slew of actual local ryokans/inns. This brings a nice balance. From the photos at least, I find the Suiran and Four Seasons Kyoto (most rooms, though I do admit they have some themed rooms) far too cookie cutter/contemporary, and the Ritz Kyoto as a whole is actually a luxury international hotel in Kyoto with somee elements of Japanese architecture/design. This is taking it one step further - I'd probably liken it to Amanfayun, but of course it isn't built in a 200-odd year old village with remnants of the old structures.
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife
3) Remains to be seen
4) Remains to be soon
It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see.
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife
3) Remains to be seen
4) Remains to be soon
It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see.
Will go to !
Hoping no delays so will potentially run the gauntlet during RWC - what a decision at start of the Year of the Pig !
Blessed Lunar New Year
Waiting to hear from HQ LON & ..
Feb 5, 2019, 9:35 am
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Feb 6, 2019, 4:49 pm
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Go to Kyoto and not visit Gion or eat in Pontocho?
Feb 6, 2019, 6:07 pm
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it definitely would have been interesting and unique if aman had done traditional ryokan style (if someone could design that) but with better regarded dining, service, etc in aman style
80 acres , 28 BR (28 room hiiragiya , 18 room tawaraya)
2 x 2BR villas
4 x 6 room buildings
arrival, living, dining, spa buildings
however bad, it's not larger box hotel
always great to see alternative to box
seems zecha used hill (the most), tuttle, gathy for different things
presumably zecha could have picked tuttle for kyoto, but did not
interesting jaya ibrahim also did (only) fayun and dayan in china
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post30407874
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post11083953
80 acres , 28 BR (28 room hiiragiya , 18 room tawaraya)
2 x 2BR villas
4 x 6 room buildings
arrival, living, dining, spa buildings
however bad, it's not larger box hotel
always great to see alternative to box
seems zecha used hill (the most), tuttle, gathy for different things
presumably zecha could have picked tuttle for kyoto, but did not
interesting jaya ibrahim also did (only) fayun and dayan in china
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post30407874
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post11083953
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Feb 6, 2019, 8:02 pm
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Got an email from Aman about this hotel an hour ago.
Any ideas on when they they will start taking reservations? Already planning to be in Kyoto in November so would love to spend a night there before resuming my trip.
Any ideas on when they they will start taking reservations? Already planning to be in Kyoto in November so would love to spend a night there before resuming my trip.
Feb 7, 2019, 2:07 am
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Peak season (sakura etc) rates are going to be crazy - even more so than Amanemu which are already quite high.