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Old Feb 7, 19, 2:10 am
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Originally Posted by 5khours View Post
Tawaraya,Hiragiya?


Go to Kyoto and not visit Gion or eat in Pontocho?
Ah, thought you meant something different by nightlife.

Phum Baitang is a long way from Siem Reap town/nightlife/food streets etc. I'm sure people will manage.
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Old Feb 7, 19, 2:42 am
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No date set yet, expected to be around March when they start taking reservations.

Peak season (sakura etc) rates are going to be crazy - even more so than Amanemu which are already quite high.
Could start at 250000 or even 300000 yen ++ considering what a base room at RC, FS can be during that season. Hope they don't go nuts and double their Kyoto competitors' prices.
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Old Feb 7, 19, 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by Aventine View Post
Could start at 250000 or even 300000 yen ++ considering what a base room at RC, FS can be during that season. Hope they don't go nuts and double their Kyoto competitors' prices.
Hotel prices in Kyoto (RC, FS, Suiran) are a little crazy so Aman is not going to help matters but hope itís not that high

i wonder if Aman would offer ryokan-like packages (dinner & breakfast).
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Old Feb 7, 19, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by Rusdude View Post

i wonder if Aman would offer ryokan-like packages (dinner & breakfast).
Personally, I wouldn't take it. Too many delicious places to go and enjoy in Kyoto.
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Old Feb 7, 19, 9:42 am
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during peak they could charge anything they wanted
semi dynamic rates even more variable than giri/gani
26 rooms one of smallest aman, and vs FS RC etc

seems outside peak kyoto demand is not crazy
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Old Feb 7, 19, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
during peak they could charge anything they wanted
semi dynamic rates even more variable than giri/gani
26 rooms one of smallest aman, and vs FS RC etc

seems outside peak kyoto demand is not crazy
I think demand is always high though.
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Old Feb 7, 19, 11:33 am
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26 room aman includes 2 2BR villa
rooms will be bigger as well

what are FS kyoto corp rates?
other hotels have award guests

aug 27 entry vs apr 5 peak

140 room FS (+30 more residences)
_65 220 35 49-53m2 deluxe
_70 226 40 53-61m2 premier
_80 239 03 53m2 premier kyoto
_80 239 22 52-53m2 premier garden
_85 247 10 53m2 four seasons
125 290 07 71-76m2 exec suite
150 320 05 98-103m2 suite
180 350 04 83m2 residence
180 350 01 130m2 tatami dining
220 400 16 104-107m2 garden
280 480 04 150m2 2BR garden
300 510 02 160-180m2 2BR corner
+ 01 245m2 2BR presidential
residences mention >
dedicated ambassador
rolls royce drop off 3km
minibar
welcome glass of champagne at tea house
garment pressing on arrival
spa treatments add 20 min
optional in room chef (kitchen)

134 room RC
_70 195 215 49 45m2 deluxe
_75 200 220 13 45m2 deluxe garden
_90 225 245 55 52m2 luxury
125 245 ___ 01 65m2 garden suite
145 265 275 01 62m2 garden terrace tatami
155 275 ___ 01 100m2 corner tatami
165 345 ___ 03 100m2 corner kita
175 355 ___ 04 62m2 garden terrace
195 385 ___ 02 115m2 corner minami
215 455 ___ 03 125m2 kamogawa
305 605 ___ 01 140m2 tsukimi
+ 01 212m2 ritz carlton
100m2 tatami suite can be less than 52m2 room

39 room suiran (low jun 17)
_62 _95 40m2 suigetsu
_72 105 39m2 tsukinone
_87 120 38m2 yuzunoha
117 150 59m2 shirosumire
117 150 65m2 kyotsukikoto
167 200 62m2 akatokitsuyu exec
167 200 60m2 togetus exec
267 300 71m2 gyokuto suite
367 400 94m2 suiran
extremely strange as not % premium

187 room hyatt regency
_32 _ 28m2n room
_38 _ 30-33m2 deluxe
_57 _ 46-59m2 corner
_77 _ 60m2 balcony
107 _ 70m2 exec
112 _ 90m2 regency
122 _ 88m2 kyoto
IIRC room peaks over 60? or not?
edit - ah, rates down after RC & FS

25 room hoshinoya
44 122 33-26m2 mizuone
across river from suiran

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Hyatt Regency should be excluded from the big boys table in Kyoto luxury now. Just does not hold a candle to the other properties. The upcoming PH may be more appropriate.
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seem to recall regency having insane peak rates, could be wrong. above rates show suite entry rates are about same between regency, FS, RC.
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The entry suites might be the same prices but the Regency suite quality isn't there. More business hotel than luxurious. Aman will definitely be in demand because the Kansai region has deep pockets, then, there's everyone else who will want to be there too.
that is my entire point

26 room aman also means high buyout demand

FS buyout says available january through early march
but excludes public spaces, 3 restaurants, spa, gym
perhaps buying out residences makes a difference
one michelin star sushi seats 22, 3 seatings per day

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Old Feb 8, 19, 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by Aventine View Post
Personally, I wouldn't take it. Too many delicious places to go and enjoy in Kyoto.
Agreed - always like the option to just go for a daily breakfast rate only, and that extends to secluded locations, but only if its cheaper (unlike Amanpulo - where the half-board and daily breakfast rates are the same). Although more rate types = more confusion too so...
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
seem to recall regency having insane peak rates, could be wrong. above rates show suite entry rates are about same between regency, FS, RC.

26 room aman also means high buyout demand

FS buyout says available january through early march
but excludes public spaces, 3 restaurants, spa, gym
perhaps buying out residences makes a difference
one michelin star sushi seats 22, 3 seatings per day
The entry suites might be the same prices but the Regency suite quality isn't there. More business hotel than luxurious. Aman will definitely be in demand because the Kansai region has deep pockets, then, there's everyone else who will want to be there too.
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Old Feb 8, 19, 8:30 am
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This will be a disaster.
Nobody wants an ultra luxe resort when they visit Kyoto - they want traditional luxury like The Suiran and onsen.
I fear Aman will be closing this one before mid 2020s.
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Old Feb 8, 19, 9:05 am
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I think RC and FS do pretty well for modern luxury hotel rooms in Kyoto. This is just more of the same.
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Originally Posted by A380 Flyer View Post
This will be a disaster.
Nobody wants an ultra luxe resort when they visit Kyoto - they want traditional luxury like The Suiran and onsen.
I fear Aman will be closing this one before mid 2020s.
I fear you're wrong about the market.
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Old Feb 8, 19, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by scented View Post
I fear you're wrong about the market.
+1 even the “ locals “ take up rate may mean others may not get in .

During RWC end October rates at RC Kyoto for suites are outrageous .. this is what mine is for 3 nights stay
1 140 327 JPY

Thought bad enough last October !

Suiran is somewhat more realistic .

Will see what Aman HQ comes up with for Aman Kyoto . May post when I get a reply .
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