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India trip quote, is it too expensive?

Old May 18, 18, 12:58 pm
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Ask a quote for the hotels from an India based TA and what the inclusions are - ask for a rate per property per night. If rack rates with limited exclusions book through Virtuoso (or similar) to get the extras.

Car/driver is very cheap so I suggest asking for a separate quite for that. Orchard hotel Pushkhar is inexpensive also. Once they fold it all together you can be sure the mark-up is significant and you lose sight of the actual cost.

I also find it a lot of moving. Perhaps consider cutting out a few and staying a bit longer at each place. Also 4 nights in Delhi is quite long depending on the season and pollution.
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Old May 18, 18, 9:07 pm
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In short: yes.
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Old May 19, 18, 2:45 am
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In short: yes.
Absolutely emphatically yes. To an extent this shows how some people accept inflated travel expenses as normal. The Indian itinerary isn't unusual, though it's a little rushed and crammed, but the quote is ridiculous and an illustration of why I hardly ever use travel agents. My theory is this - let's say a room costs $100 per night or for the purposes of this Forum let's say $5000 per night. That's for two people, possibly even a B&B rate and inclusive of wifi and bottled water. That's the rate you pay if you book it yourself and are in direct contact with the hotel. A travel agent will charge double that so it's suddenly $10,000 per night. But for that you might get a welcome fruit bowl and a welcome letter from the manager.

I'm sure the specialist TAs on here will contradict this. It's my view and I have a lifetime's experience of it.

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Old May 19, 18, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
i guess economy (and maybe trying to control clientele?) has led to changing $2K per day into $3K and $4k per day

chinmoylad, any comments on driver/guide? i cant recall which companies youve posted about in the past
I've used IndiaByCarAndDriver for car+driver hire.
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Old May 21, 18, 4:57 am
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That is a ridiculous price, have done two trips to India, first one for 3 weeks and last one for over a month. All top hotels (some of those on your list), internal flights, car and driver plus always met by a representative, all top guides and entrance fees and detailed itinerary. Neither trip was over 20K for two people. Contact Louise Nicholson (Louise's India), she will advise and work to your budget. Many have said she is expensive but worth it for the service and her reputation and contacts in India.
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Old May 21, 18, 5:06 am
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Most main brand luxury hotels in India generally go for $120-$250 if you book direct. That would be your biggest expense (other than international flights) by far. Most domestic flights are often under $100 one-way. $2k a day is outrageous, $3k is criminal (not literally...)
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Old May 21, 18, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter View Post
Most main brand luxury hotels in India generally go for $120-$250 if you book direct. That would be your biggest expense (other than international flights) by far. Most domestic flights are often under $100 one-way. $2k a day is outrageous, $3k is criminal (not literally...)
Most luxury hotels in India go for $120-250 if you book direct? You must be planning to stay in a different India than I will when I go this fall. That certainly wasn't true for me in, for example, Delhi, Varanasi, or Agra -- and certainly not for the Amans. Or do you have some sort of secret that I should know about?
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Old May 21, 18, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF View Post
Most luxury hotels in India go for $120-250 if you book direct? You must be planning to stay in a different India than I will when I go this fall. That certainly wasn't true for me in, for example, Delhi, Varanasi, or Agra -- and certainly not for the Amans. Or do you have some sort of secret that I should know about?
Maybe he missed a 0 or two.

Or he's talking about 'luxury' as in JW Marriott etc (eg. Delhi).
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Old May 21, 18, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post

if it is a tour operator that partners with virtuoso, virtuoso requires them to give an itemized/etc bill
There is no requirement that Virtuoso on-sites, tour operators, or wholesalers provide breakout or itemized pricing. Some of them do, and some of them don't.
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Old May 21, 18, 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF View Post
Most luxury hotels in India go for $120-250 if you book direct? You must be planning to stay in a different India than I will when I go this fall. That certainly wasn't true for me in, for example, Delhi, Varanasi, or Agra -- and certainly not for the Amans. Or do you have some sort of secret that I should know about?
Originally Posted by chinmoylad View Post
Maybe he missed a 0 or two.

Or he's talking about 'luxury' as in JW Marriott etc (eg. Delhi).
Indeed, as I said, main brand. Even the Oberoi in Mumbai or the Taj Mahal Palace at the Gateway can be had for 200-300USD. I've stayed at the Trident Nariman Point, ITC Grand and Le Meridien Delhi all for under 150$ for example.

Not an Aman, but what most consider to be main stream "luxury".

Taj Falaknuma Palace in Hyderabad which is extremely luxurious (makes an Oberoi look like a motel) goes for 300USD regularly
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Old May 21, 18, 9:17 am
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Since the hotel would be the most expensive part of the trip, I would suggest booking directly with them.
As an example, Marriott now has good coverage in Rajasthan, having recently opened hotels in Jaisalmer and Jodhpur. They already have hotels in Udaipur and Jaipur.
For cars, you could use the hotel provided car for a day or two (very expensive) - and in those two days negotiate a good car/van from a local company for the rest of the trip.
Food should not be very expensive.
The concierge can help with local activities.
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Old May 21, 18, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by luxtrvlwrks View Post
There is no requirement that Virtuoso on-sites, tour operators, or wholesalers provide breakout or itemized pricing. Some of them do, and some of them don't.
While not uber luxe (although they do book luxe hotels etc), Kensington has always provided (especially when asked) breakdowns of the trip.
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Old May 21, 18, 9:33 am
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thanks Kagehitokiri, yeah I think I'll try to find someone else to price me this trip and give me a better price.
Try Greaves Travel - they are excellent and do not rip you off. The quote you have is extortionate!
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Old May 21, 18, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by yrs View Post
Since the hotel would be the most expensive part of the trip, I would suggest booking directly with them.
As an example, Marriott now has good coverage in Rajasthan, having recently opened hotels in Jaisalmer and Jodhpur. They already have hotels in Udaipur and Jaipur.
For cars, you could use the hotel provided car for a day or two (very expensive) - and in those two days negotiate a good car/van from a local company for the rest of the trip.
Food should not be very expensive.
The concierge can help with local activities.
I forgot to mention that Marriott gives you the fifth night free if you book four nights. You can use this perk to pay for only 20 nights but yet stay a total of 25 nights. Most Marriotts in Rajasthan sell rooms for $80-160 per night.
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Old May 21, 18, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by luxtrvlwrks View Post
There is no requirement that Virtuoso on-sites, tour operators, or wholesalers provide breakout or itemized pricing. Some of them do, and some of them don't.
i guess i was thinking of requiring a la carte? between onsites and operators, one of them was 'required' to do something. referring to virtuoso directory.

i feel like one thing was itemizing on request, but i could be remembering wrong, or the virtuoso directory i looked at several years ago could have had an issue or changed.

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