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Old Jul 20, 17, 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by Aventine View Post
Some luxury hotels in Korea have fancy machines but it tastes like swill. Don't know why. They ALL have capsule machines though so caffeine addicts are in luck here.
Capsule or 3-in-1 instant coffee are often limited in quality. Just for an early morning "quickie" they do the job. Once "waked" up, then I will go for better coffee. Of course, coffee from premium quality beans and made with a good coffee machine ( even better if prepared by a barista ) will taste far better than what's in the room.
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Old Jul 20, 17, 9:42 am
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Most have acceptable coffee, but sometimes I feel certain hotels could do better, while others stand out as excellent.

Re FS Marunouchi, complimentary morning coffee via room service in addition to your choice of in-room or restaurant breakfast is something a FSPP could probably negotiate for you.
Okay I will say something regarding coffee culture and hotels... I always felt that luxury hotels don't have a clue how to make a proper coffee/cappuccino/espresso. God forbid even Starbucks baristas have better knowledge about these things, compared to a 12 EUR cappuccino at a European luxury hotel. Depending on the location (some are better) and hotel group, they will invariably present absolutely awful creations. Which is sad, as I often like to sit in a beautiful lounge or lobby for some hours to work and enjoy a great espresso. Most properties apparently think that an espresso is half a coffee, but fail to understand that a good one is only a sip (not a doppio), but with a great gold-brown crema and from a quality blend. I don't want to be served Nespresso, or a cappuccino from a fully automated machine. It should be crafted.

Luxury hotels should be better at these things than the little coffeehouse around the corner. But it's often the opposite!

A few exceptions worth mentioning: FS Dubai (excellent espresso), FS Milan, Café Gray Deluxe, Café Cha at the Siam, Park Hyatt Bangkok (who would have thought?)...
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Old Jul 20, 17, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by scented View Post
Okay I will say something regarding coffee culture and hotels... I always felt that luxury hotels don't have a clue how to make a proper coffee/cappuccino/espresso. God forbid even Starbucks baristas have better knowledge about these things, compared to a 12 EUR cappuccino at a European luxury hotel.

Luxury hotels should be better at these things than the little coffeehouse around the corner. But it's often the opposite!

A few exceptions worth mentioning: FS Dubai (excellent espresso), FS Milan, Café Gray Deluxe, Café Cha at the Siam, Park Hyatt Bangkok (who would have thought?)...
No specialists or artisans usually manning the machines. Just a paid employee.

Park Hyatt Seoul does a mean one too at their Lounge!
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Old Jul 20, 17, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by Aventine View Post
No specialists or artisans usually manning the machines. Just a paid employee.

Park Hyatt Seoul does a mean one too at their Lounge!
It's true... and yet it's not hard to do. I once learned how to do it myself in Italy. Hotels just don't take it seriously enough.

Thanks for letting me know! Must try next time I go there... Park Hyatt Seoul excels in many ways.
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Old Jul 20, 17, 10:56 am
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I'm trying to recall a single hotel that has had good, much less excellent coffee, and I am struggling. Even the FS Marunouchi.

Most espressos/espresso-based drinks are just simply not good. At all. And drip/pour-over/French Press are usually worse.

I do remember enjoying Vietnamese Iced Coffees at Amanoi, but then those are basically desserts.
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Luxury hotels should be better at these things than the little coffeehouse around the corner. But it's often the opposite!
I can't say I'm surprised, actually. It's the difference between shops with focus and care, and (in a lot of cases) passion and precision, versus ... well, not that. We seek out third-wave spots in almost every location we visit, to try and "get our fix".

I will say, for some reason it never even crossed my mind to ask a hotel to provide my the tools to brew my own. Perhaps I should ...
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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:08 am
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unless specifying model numbers, or theres such staff, complex requests less easy
unlike alcohol, one doesnt just open bottle, and its not profitable for hotel

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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:12 am
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Has this thread turn into a coffee thread?

I think the best coffee is found/served in Italy. All the hotels in Italy where I stayed served great coffee.
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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:18 am
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Has this thread turn into a coffee thread?

I think the best coffee is found/served in Italy. All the hotels in Italy where I stayed served great coffee.
Outside on the streets too ^
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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:18 am
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standards (not just preferences) , whether it is for service or coffee , vary

luxury does not mean cutting something because it is not highly profitable
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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by Aventine View Post
Outside on the streets too ^
Yup. Love authentic Italian Expresso. And for the record, I think Starbucks coffee sucks.
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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
standards (not just preferences) , whether it is for service or coffee , vary

luxury does not mean cutting something because it is not highly profitable
The better hotels in this forum will have good coffee in their lounge (if applicable), outlets and room service. FS HK is one of them on all counts. TUH as well.

Owners can put pressure to cut something if it's not profitable though. GMs risk "capital" putting pet projects through.

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Old Jul 20, 17, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by BENLEE View Post
Has this thread turn into a coffee thread?
you were 1st to mention in-room coffee >
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coffee machine and coffee making facility ( a must for me )
5 agreed, including OP of thread, who was 1st to say >

Originally Posted by KatW View Post
I must have a cup BEFORE I can call for room service coffee.
additional 3 [+ 5 = 8] agreed with that

(total 10 [+] out of 25 posting in thread)

2 [+ 8 = 10] >

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luxury hotels don't have a clue how to make a proper coffee/cappuccino/espresso.

A few exceptions worth mentioning: FS Dubai (excellent espresso), FS Milan, Café Gray Deluxe, Café Cha at the Siam, Park Hyatt Bangkok (who would have thought?)...
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I'm trying to recall a single hotel that has had good, much less excellent coffee, and I am struggling.
some hotel staff may know how, but not part of their job, may be able to find out
could follow such staff if they stay with a chain and move internationally etc
* and that does not just apply to coffee, but many things that may be part of stay

* at least coffee is complex/excusable, vs inability to meet dietary requirements

what do coffee connoisseurs here say re Antica Tostatura Triestina ?

a couple posts re luxury hotels here >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...ffee-more.html

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Old Jul 20, 17, 12:24 pm
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Owners can put pressure to cut something if it's not profitable though. GMs risk "capital" putting pet projects through.
I am aware of these owners... some even butcher their F&B offering, eliminate all restaurants and limit guests to in-room dining for dinner, and then go on to construct a 50 million $ penthouse.... Some years later they figure they are now hospitality designers and favor their guests with updated guest rooms according to their own style. Wow!
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Originally Posted by scented View Post
I am aware of these owners... some even butcher their F&B offering, eliminate all restaurants and limit guests to in-room dining for dinner, and then go on to construct a 50 million $ penthouse.... Some years later they figure they are now hospitality designers and favor their guests with updated guest rooms according to their own style. Wow!
I'm dying laughing too hard. Please make it stop!
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I am aware of these owners... some even butcher their F&B offering, eliminate all restaurants and limit guests to in-room dining for dinner, and then go on to construct a 50 million $ penthouse.... Some years later they figure they are now hospitality designers and favor their guests with updated guest rooms according to their own style. Wow!
Others let their hotel decay so bad that it would take an entirely new hotel to get anywhere near the competition.
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