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Big rates increase at Four Seasons Paris

Old Feb 4, 14, 3:55 am
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Big rates increase at Four Seasons Paris

Hi everyone,

I was trying to book Four Seasons Paris for this summer and I noticed a big rate increase this year. I remember the rack rate for the cheapest room was 895 euros last year - it will be 1,350 euros this summer. There are similar rates increase for all room types. Has European economy already recovered? or is there something else going on? I have been staying at Four Seasons Paris regularly for almost 10 years and I can't recall annual rate increase (if at all) so high.
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Old Feb 4, 14, 4:29 am
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I cannot say by personal experience because I always prefer to stay in the Opera area in Paris....but some friends regular guests for years at George V said the same recently and they moved to the Prince de Galles next door
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Old Feb 4, 14, 6:08 am
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Could there be abnormally high demand at the time? It would be interesting to see if its nearest competitors such as le Bristol, le Meurice, S-L, and MO have also increased rates.

With Plaza Athénée, Crillon, and Ritz all closed for renovations there might be higher demand at other high-end properties, and especially at the George V where occupancy is always high. Due to location, I suspect George V is getting a lot of bookings from Plaza Athénée regulars in particular.

If there is a large difference in price, it is very tempting to consider a larger room or suite category at one of the aforementioned hotels.

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Old Feb 4, 14, 9:55 am
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Thirty percent inflation is about standard for Europe right now. And when you buy food it seems like that's per week. Seriously, though, I'm sure the London FS and its equivalents have hiked their prices similarly because the market will bear it, commissar.
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Old Feb 4, 14, 4:45 pm
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FS is doing dynamic / constantly changing rates, so cant look at rates as ratecard/rack anymore, ive posted variation
~200 room flagship hotel, regularly sold out, isnt summer peak season and when middle east stays?
(general economy isnt too relevant) also paying for recent renovations / taking them into account

and they had already increased rates (a lot %) on duplex suites some time ago
actually 2009/2010 rates may have been discounted too, possibly fluctuating after
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...l#post13542264
mar 15 2010 >
Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
€1095 premier (24) €1795 exec (11) €1995 duplex (3)
IIRC ~€1995 deluxe ~€3500 premier

Originally Posted by KrazeeJoe View Post
895 euros
1,350 euros
what months for €895?

feb 19
€990 superior
€1475 premier > €2195 [renamed exec] > €3050 deluxe > €4050 duplex > €5400 premier

apr 23 / jul 16 / aug 27
€1050 superior
€1490 premier > €2350 [renamed exec] > €3100 deluxe > €4100 duplex > €5900 premier

mar 12
€1090 superior
€1595 premier > €2395 [renamed exec] > €3250 deluxe > €4250 duplex > €5400 premier

€1250 spring fashion week

may 14 / jul 9
€1350 superior
€1750 premier > €2550 [renamed exec] > €3450 deluxe > €4250 duplex > €5900 premier

sep 24 / oct 15
€1190 superior
€1625 premier > €2450 [renamed exec] > €3450 deluxe > €4250 duplex > €5900 premier

nov 27
€990 superior
€1490 premier > €2150 [renamed exec] > €3100 deluxe > €4100 duplex > €5900 premier

vs MO with base rates and jun/etc rates >
http://www.mandarinoriental.com/paris/accommodation/
€795 / €____ 37m2 seems MO doesnt show base rooms in web reservations
€845 / €1275 39-44m2
€945 / €1375 42-52m2
€1085 / €1450 42-53m2
€1300 / €1750 55m2
€1400 / €1850 57-63m2 suite
MO occupancy with 138 rooms
2013 ~66% 2012 ~57.5% 2011 ~32.5%
owned by MO, opened jun 28 2011

http://www.fourseasons.com/paris/acc...om_comparison/
€990 / €1350 37-40m2
€1090 / €1450 38-50m2
€1475 / €1750 50-60m2
FS occupancy with 244 rooms
2010 76.5% 2009 75% 2007 83.2%
alwaleed owns almost 100% of george v

closed for summer 2013 and 2014 >
ritz closed jul 31 2012 "scheduled to re-open in the beginning of 2015"
crillon closed mar 31 2013 reopening in 2015

also closed, and reopening may be delayed >
plaza athenee closed oct 1 2013 reopens jun 2014
currently taking reservations from aug 1 after high season €595 > €995 with a handful of €1295

previously >
prince de galles closed feb 15 2011 reopened may 16 2013

jun >
€1150 shangri la
€890 park hyatt (26-30m2)

range >
€830 - €1100 bristol
€670 - €1100 meurice
€680 - €935 prince de galles (22-30m2)
(dorchester/oetker have rate calendar ^)

speaking of ritz >
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/tr...connaught.html
Colin Field, head barman at Bar Hemingway in the Ritz Paris
From April 7-13, he will join the Connaught’s head barman Agostino Perrone
at FS >

http://press.fourseasons.com/paris/h...e-wine-cellar/
monthly wine tastings with Beaumard starting this month

not sure if FS still does >

http://press.fourseasons.com/paris/h...seasons_hotel/
monthly market visit and cooking class with Briffard (apr > oct 2013)

http://press.fourseasons.com/paris/h...through-paris/
weekly "cultural jogging" with hotel staff (may 21 2013)

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Old Feb 5, 14, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post
previously >
prince de galles closed feb 15 2011 reopened may 16 2013

jun >
€1150 shangri la
€890 park hyatt (26-30m2)

range >
€830 - €1100 bristol
€670 - €1100 meurice
€680 - €935 prince de galles (22-30m2)
(dorchester/oetker have rate calendar ^)

speaking of ritz >
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/tr...connaught.html


at FS >

http://press.fourseasons.com/paris/h...e-wine-cellar/
monthly wine tastings with Beaumard starting this month

not sure if FS still does >

http://press.fourseasons.com/paris/h...seasons_hotel/
monthly market visit and cooking class with Briffard (apr > oct 2013)...

Wow Kage, thanks for all of the rate comparisons!

I would love to do the market visit and cooking class with Eric Briffard on my next stay, as well as the wine tasting. Things like this really add value to a stay, even if the rates are highest in town.

I wonder if Prince de Galles will prove to be a serious high-end option. I am very interested in at least going for dinner at Stéphanie le Quellec's restaurant (she was formerly at FS Terre Blanche).

Le Bristol, Le Meurice, and S-L also offer very substantial Virtuoso amenities, ranging from confirmed upgrades to complimentary one way airport transfer, etc.. For the price of a Superior room at George V, it is very tempting to consider a larger room or Jr. Suite at these other properties.
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Old Feb 5, 14, 8:46 am
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And with dynamic pricing at pretty much every major hotel now you have to remember that this is their best forecast 5 months out. If things fizzle they'll drop rates. I re-booked 3 different FS Hawaii stays this week and took over 6k in room revenue off their books and back into customers pockets. You can always book now - lock in some sort of rate and adjust as required
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would be good to hear if FS is still doing the two offerings from last year (briffard one was over summer)

Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo View Post
For the price of a Superior room at George V, it is very tempting to consider a larger room or Jr. Suite at these other properties.
its amazing how much room size varies within categories
unfortunately this makes value vary depending on size received

room sizes vary by hotel, so compare sizes/floorplans/etc
PH and PDG (at least, didnt check all) have smaller entry
FS (especially, at least) can have fairly high upper limits to size variations
(i tried to illustrate some of those comparisons incl FS vs MO)

Originally Posted by KrazeeJoe View Post
We usually stay there around Sep/Oct.
€895

sep 24 / oct 15
€1190 superior

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Old Feb 5, 14, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri View Post

what months for €895?
We usually stay there around Sep/Oct. This year we plan to go in June. I did not realize they are doing dynamic pricing. I prefer the simple high/low season rate system.
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Old Feb 6, 14, 6:30 am
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Wow. I'm a big fan of this hotel....though seeing rates for premier rooms at circa US$2k is an eye opener for me.

They're not hurting for occupancy, so I can't fault them for charging the highest price that the market will bear.
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Old Feb 6, 14, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by KrazeeJoe View Post
I did not realize they are doing dynamic pricing. I prefer the simple high/low season rate system.
FS has been doing this for a couple years.

Best bet is to take the upthread advice of ABG and make your booking whenever you know you are fairly certain to go, and then check periodically to see if rates fall.
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Old Feb 6, 14, 12:39 pm
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Best to keep in mind that the rates can go the other way also -- go up at this property. ABG gives sound advice and is what I recommend also.

During my own stays here Le George, I have seen Saudi royals, wealthy arabs, russians, brazilians and government delegations taking up blocks of rooms. This is one of the only hotels (of this size) I know where suites sell out before rooms do.

Nevertheless, I have also maintained that Le George is breathtaking when you check-in and, perhaps even moreso now, breathtaking at check-out.
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Old Feb 6, 14, 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by KrazeeJoe View Post
We usually stay there around Sep/Oct. This year we plan to go in June.
Roland Garros?
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Old Feb 7, 14, 10:04 am
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Roland Garros?
Good suggestion. I'll see if we can get tickets for the finals when we go to Paris.
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Originally Posted by KrazeeJoe View Post
Good suggestion. I'll see if we can get tickets for the finals when we go to Paris.
Sorry for being equivocal. I meant I wonder if the rates for your dates are high because it's the first week of June which is the second week of Roland Garros.
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