The 2013 New Amanresorts, GHM & Ahn Luh Development Thread
Mar 14, 2013, 1:09 pm
#61
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http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...7379801&type=3
seems that is what was sent out... is that a B&O TV in 2nd pic?
seems that is what was sent out... is that a B&O TV in 2nd pic?
For a base of €1000++ per night, I expect more. I'm hoping this is a case of poor marketing materials, but will absolutely wait on a TR or 4 before making a final decision.
Mar 14, 2013, 11:18 pm
#62
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I was hoping for something like the utterly fabulous Chateau de Bagnols which Amanresorts managed in its first years of operation. That still might be the best hotel I've ever been to. The Venice place, so far, looks a little bit schizophrenic to me.
Mar 14, 2013, 11:30 pm
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chair looks exactly like wella? zoe is subdevelopment with residences, finances linked
pic is signature/expensive Sansovino Suite?
"original fireplace designed by...one of Venice's most famous 16th-century architects"
if particularly expensive B&O/etc, clearly not in base rooms as well
its a historic property, aman mgmt of those has often not lasted, i personally dont want to miss it
if true, not sure what difference a sublet from owner would make.. owners are Count/Princess, Count inherited
on top of historic/location, 24 room aman. for example cipriani/bauer are same price with four times the rooms
these could be intro rates, 24 rooms sell out fast in peak season, and weve seen recent aman rate changes
pic is signature/expensive Sansovino Suite?
"original fireplace designed by...one of Venice's most famous 16th-century architects"
if particularly expensive B&O/etc, clearly not in base rooms as well
its a historic property, aman mgmt of those has often not lasted, i personally dont want to miss it
if true, not sure what difference a sublet from owner would make.. owners are Count/Princess, Count inherited
on top of historic/location, 24 room aman. for example cipriani/bauer are same price with four times the rooms
these could be intro rates, 24 rooms sell out fast in peak season, and weve seen recent aman rate changes
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Mar 15, 2013, 3:42 am
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chair looks exactly like wella? zoe is subdevelopment with residences, finances linked
pic is signature/expensive Sansovino Suite?
"original fireplace designed by...one of Venice's most famous 16th-century architects"
if particularly expensive B&O/etc, clearly not in base rooms as well
its a historic property, aman mgmt of those has often not lasted, i personally dont want to miss it
if true, not sure what difference a sublet from owner would make.. owners are Count/Princess, Count inherited
on top of historic/location, 24 room aman. for example cipriani/bauer are same price with four times the rooms
these could be intro rates, 24 rooms sell out fast in peak season, and weve seen recent aman rate changes
pic is signature/expensive Sansovino Suite?
"original fireplace designed by...one of Venice's most famous 16th-century architects"
if particularly expensive B&O/etc, clearly not in base rooms as well
its a historic property, aman mgmt of those has often not lasted, i personally dont want to miss it
if true, not sure what difference a sublet from owner would make.. owners are Count/Princess, Count inherited
on top of historic/location, 24 room aman. for example cipriani/bauer are same price with four times the rooms
these could be intro rates, 24 rooms sell out fast in peak season, and weve seen recent aman rate changes
Mar 15, 2013, 5:59 am
#65
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http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...7379801&type=3
seems that is what was sent out... is that a B&O TV in 2nd pic?
http://www.andrewharper.com/blog/not...grande-venice/
6 Palazzo Rooms - garden view - €1000 + tax and service
9 Palazzo Chambers - canal view
6 Palazzo Suites - "elevated" canal view - 'elaborate architectural details'
1 Sansovino Suite - "original fireplace designed by...one of Venice's most famous 16th-century architects"
1 Alcove Tiepolo Suite - "Chinese-style painted sitting room and bedroom ceiling by...great 18th-century artist"
1 Grand Canal Suite - "sitting room's arched windows front the Grand Canal"
3 signature suites may be one price?
http://www.dolphinci.com/downloads/f...case_study.pdf
page 4 - shows where chedi will be at porto heli
i dont recall seeing a map with that amount of detail until now
seems that is what was sent out... is that a B&O TV in 2nd pic?
http://www.andrewharper.com/blog/not...grande-venice/
6 Palazzo Rooms - garden view - €1000 + tax and service
9 Palazzo Chambers - canal view
6 Palazzo Suites - "elevated" canal view - 'elaborate architectural details'
1 Sansovino Suite - "original fireplace designed by...one of Venice's most famous 16th-century architects"
1 Alcove Tiepolo Suite - "Chinese-style painted sitting room and bedroom ceiling by...great 18th-century artist"
1 Grand Canal Suite - "sitting room's arched windows front the Grand Canal"
3 signature suites may be one price?
http://www.dolphinci.com/downloads/f...case_study.pdf
page 4 - shows where chedi will be at porto heli
i dont recall seeing a map with that amount of detail until now
6 Palazzo Rooms - garden view - €1000 + tax and service
9 Palazzo Chambers - grand canal view - €1500 ++
6 Palazzo Suites - grand canal view €2000++
1 Sansovino Suite - €2500++
1 Alcove Tiepolo Suite - €3500 ++
1 Grand Canal Suite - €3500 ++
Mar 15, 2013, 6:28 am
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Latest news from Aman Canal Grande regarding rates:
6 Palazzo Rooms - garden view - €1000 + tax and service
9 Palazzo Chambers - grand canal view - €1500 ++
6 Palazzo Suites - grand canal view €2000++
1 Sansovino Suite - €2500++
1 Alcove Tiepolo Suite - €3500 ++
1 Grand Canal Suite - €3500 ++
6 Palazzo Rooms - garden view - €1000 + tax and service
9 Palazzo Chambers - grand canal view - €1500 ++
6 Palazzo Suites - grand canal view €2000++
1 Sansovino Suite - €2500++
1 Alcove Tiepolo Suite - €3500 ++
1 Grand Canal Suite - €3500 ++
Any additional description on rooms / lay-out / size?
Difficult to make a choice with so few details.
Introductory rates are quite high anyway!
Mar 15, 2013, 6:43 am
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"ACCOMMODATION
Unusual for a hotel in Venice, almost all of the resort’s suites offer
beautiful views over the Grand Canal. Aman offers a total of 24 suites
with the majority being of unique layout and design. Many feature
protected frescos and reliefs that reflect past periods of art and
architecture. Furniture and furnishings throughout the rooms are
contemporary yet of a simple aesthetic.
Most suites provide combined living areas and bedrooms, as well as
linked dressing areas and bathrooms. Lighting is most often provided
by table and standing lamps. Each suite provides a television which
broadcasts local and international channels as well as movies and
documentaries on demand. A docking station is also included in the
suite. All rooms offer a king-sized bed, an armoire with personal bar,
a writing desk and either a sofa or twin lounge chairs. There are a total
of four suite categories, differentiated by design, floor area and view.
PALAZZO ROOMS
The six Palazzo Rooms offer views of the Private Garden.
PALAZZO CHAMBERS
The nine Palazzo Chambers offer beautiful views of the Grand Canal.
PALAZZO SUITES
The six Palazzo Suites all feature spectacular views of the Grand Canal and many have wonderful architectural details.
The majority are located between the second and fifth levels of the palazzo.
SIGNATURE SUITES
The three Signature Suites include the Sansovino Suite, the Alcove Tiepolo Suite and the Canal Grande Suite. These spacious suites all boast unique
architectural features.
Sansovino Suite: This suite was originally called ‘The Hall of the Four Doors’. Noteworthy architectural details include wood panelling, a painted frieze
around the walls and a carved ceiling. It also has the most
historical fireplace in the palazzo, designed by Jacopo d’Antonio Sansovino, one of Venice’s most famous architects in the early 16th century.
Alcove Tiepolo Suite: The Alcove Tiepolo Suite offers a Chinese painted sitting room and a bedroom ceiling by Giovanni Battista Tiepolo.
Tiepolo has been described as the “greatest decorative painter of 18th-century Europe, as well as its most able craftsman”.
Canal Grande Suite: Located above the front door of the palazzo, this suite directly fronts the Grand Canal offering exceptional views. It features a
lovely sitting room with an arched window through which the full spectrum of the canal’s maritime activities can be viewed. It can become a twobedroom
suite when necessary."
I think Palazzo Suites are probably the rooms to go for.
Combined living areas and bedroom, room size probably similar to Amansara minus the outdoor courtyard
Mar 15, 2013, 6:58 am
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I will probably follow your advice even if the crazy me deep inside wishes to book Grand Canal Suite.
Mar 15, 2013, 8:40 am
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If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
Mar 15, 2013, 9:16 am
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A Venetian palazzo is not really amenable to what we have come to expect from most GHM and Amanresorts, a very simple, elegant, and contemporary style. Venice is rococo. See this Wikipedia article on Italian Rococo interior design. The pictures of the rooms pretty much match this style.
If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
Mar 15, 2013, 9:18 am
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A Venetian palazzo is not really amenable to what we have come to expect from most GHM and Amanresorts, a very simple, elegant, and contemporary style. Venice is rococo. See this Wikipedia article on Italian Rococo interior design. The pictures of the rooms pretty much match this style.
If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
David and or Kageh , are there plans for a pool here ?
Mar 15, 2013, 9:24 am
#73
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A Venetian palazzo is not really amenable to what we have come to expect from most GHM and Amanresorts, a very simple, elegant, and contemporary style. Venice is rococo. See this Wikipedia article on Italian Rococo interior design. The pictures of the rooms pretty much match this style.
If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
If anyone is interested in the hotel's fact sheet, you can download it from here.
May tack on a few days here after our trip to Rome next year...
Regarding Architecture / Design: The site is the site (I think there were constraints on what could be done). So, with this site, would you rather have it be managed by Aman, or by somebody else? I'll take Aman...
Mar 15, 2013, 9:30 am
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Mar 15, 2013, 10:28 am
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new description of sansovino continues to describe aman bedroom pic?
brochure does say "introductory rates 2013"
ruya's were extended (because turkey?)
OTOH low season has been added, so id expect same thing in venice, at some point
what is low season in venice? dec > mar minus events which vary year to year?
re design choices, certainly valid. we dont know who bought aman and if there is sublet for venice, who is renting. sublet would probably explain no pool. (small aboveground etc to avoid any potential regulations.)
pool question came up before, and the gardens were not included in plans - they were blank except outer walls and path.
forgot one of aman's PR agencies, for future reference
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...6415555&type=1
and a good first hand post from an amanjunkie
two gardens - one on the water and the other (very private and surrounded by old brick walls) on the back - is a feature which is exceptionally rare, even unique for this (fantastic) stretch of the Grand Canal.
Note that other resort-like properties in Venice are located on other islands in the lagoon (e.g. Cipriani or the San Clemente (the latter now closed)) nice views but not in the middle of the action and connected via boats.
So the Aman will be basically in an "urban" setting which, in my opinion is great because it is at a walking distance from many many attractions in Venice.
It is true that it is not far from the touristy Rialto Bridge, but in Venice if you skip the itinerary marked by the yellow signed (packed with hordes of tourists, souvenir shops and horrific restaurants with plastic menues) there are hundreds of peaceful and magical calli and campi (streets and squares). Campo san Polo is the closest square which is usually busy with locals.
In short, the property is amazing (grandioso!!) and so it is its location, very quiet on the back and with a jaw dropping view on the Grand Canal on the front (Rialto on the left, gorgeous Palazzo Grimani in the front and the Ca Foscari bow of the canal on the right).
Note that other resort-like properties in Venice are located on other islands in the lagoon (e.g. Cipriani or the San Clemente (the latter now closed)) nice views but not in the middle of the action and connected via boats.
So the Aman will be basically in an "urban" setting which, in my opinion is great because it is at a walking distance from many many attractions in Venice.
It is true that it is not far from the touristy Rialto Bridge, but in Venice if you skip the itinerary marked by the yellow signed (packed with hordes of tourists, souvenir shops and horrific restaurants with plastic menues) there are hundreds of peaceful and magical calli and campi (streets and squares). Campo san Polo is the closest square which is usually busy with locals.
In short, the property is amazing (grandioso!!) and so it is its location, very quiet on the back and with a jaw dropping view on the Grand Canal on the front (Rialto on the left, gorgeous Palazzo Grimani in the front and the Ca Foscari bow of the canal on the right).
Canal Grande Suite: Located above the front door of the palazzo, this suite directly fronts the Grand Canal offering exceptional views. It features a lovely sitting room with an arched window through which the full spectrum of the canal’s maritime activities can be viewed. It can become a two bedroom suite when necessary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CzKAy663xQ
going back to prior links, suggests Grand Canal Suite on top/4th floor
http://oliaklodvenitiens.wordpress.c...zo-papadopoli/
3rd pic there either Grand Canal Suite or public areas? pic is corner, may not connect to center?
http://www.studiores.it/categorie.as...blocco_2&page= (contractor)
with public areas Salon, Library, Stanza del Tiepolo, Stanza del Guarana on 4th floor running along gardens
im remembering a large space running along gardens in plans
then Dining Room below Grand Canal Suite, both canal front, dining room running entire length of canal front
seems problem is no finished exterior pics, interior windows seem improved and not matching exterior
anyone else have thoughts??
just noticed they refer to top suite two different ways - one in description, one in rates
one question - if any rooms above/adjacent/below Grand Canal Suite, how many in which categories?
keeping at bottom of my latest post >
Rate validity from 1 June 2013 to 30 April 2014
6 €1000 Palazzo Rooms - garden view
9 €1500 Palazzo Chambers - grand canal view
6 €2000 59-89m2 Palazzo Suites - grand canal view
1 €2500 Sansovino Suite
1 €3500 Alcove Tiepolo Suite
1 €3500 103m2 Grand Canal Suite
+ tax and service
thanks again halibahs and DavidO and Pierre&Cédric
Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Mar 16, 2013 at 11:44 am