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#2912
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 148
Look forward to your trip report on Miavana, especially how it compares with the North Island. Looks like you will fly from Johannesburg to Nosy Be?
#2913
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: IAD/DCA
Posts: 31,805
KrazeeJoe, may i ask if have you found any hotels especially amazing recently? MacMyDay was extremely positive re vitznau in switzerland. also in switzerland, seems alpina (not as perfect for MacMyDay) has some residences in hotel inventory, one of which is/was in one of their smaller chalet buildings.
guess i'll post here, not remote thread
white desert (Antarctica) new charter >
$14,000 x 14 pax day trip charter gulfstream
4-5 hours on ground, Wolf's Fang runway
vs occasional (not yearly) scheduled >
$10,000 per person day trip (not gulfstream)
8 hours on ground, Schirmacher Oasis
white-desert.com/adventures/greatest-day
guess i'll post here, not remote thread
white desert (Antarctica) new charter >
$14,000 x 14 pax day trip charter gulfstream
4-5 hours on ground, Wolf's Fang runway
vs occasional (not yearly) scheduled >
$10,000 per person day trip (not gulfstream)
8 hours on ground, Schirmacher Oasis
white-desert.com/adventures/greatest-day
Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Aug 31, 2017 at 7:05 pm
#2914
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 148
KrazeeJoe, may i ask if have you found any hotels especially amazing recently? MacMyDay was extremely positive re vitznau in switzerland. also in switzerland, seems alpina (not as perfect for MacMyDay) has some residences in hotel inventory, one of which is/was in one of their smaller chalet buildings.
Also went to Bisate Lodge in Rwanda. The villas are very comfortable, good to relax after long gorilla trekking.
Went to Alpina a couple of years ago. My kids loved their swimming pool and the Japanese restaurant.
Will try out Vitzau. Looking for ideas of where to go next. Thanks for all the posts here.
white desert (Antarctica) new charter >
$14,000 x 14 pax day trip charter gulfstream
white-desert.com/adventures/greatest-day
$14,000 x 14 pax day trip charter gulfstream
white-desert.com/adventures/greatest-day
#2915
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: IAD/DCA
Posts: 31,805
awesome to hear re bisate, new wilderness safaris premier in rwanda !
they also have a new premier camp in kenya called segera.
unfortunately theyre no longer involved with congo gorilla camps.
also seems they dropped their top Wilderness Collection sub brand
saw a recent great report here for great plains conservation zarafa.
kind of confused re renovation status at mombo and little mombo.
cant recall what andbeyond was opening, if any were top luxury
ill definitely do white desert day trip in future (not soon)
new $64K isnt bad vs $20K, hope they do more shorter
they also have a new premier camp in kenya called segera.
unfortunately theyre no longer involved with congo gorilla camps.
also seems they dropped their top Wilderness Collection sub brand
saw a recent great report here for great plains conservation zarafa.
kind of confused re renovation status at mombo and little mombo.
cant recall what andbeyond was opening, if any were top luxury
ill definitely do white desert day trip in future (not soon)
new $64K isnt bad vs $20K, hope they do more shorter
Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Aug 31, 2017 at 9:37 pm
#2916
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 148
#2917
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: England
Posts: 1,361
Both properties on my list, with Bisate Lodge somewhere I hope to visit next year. What's your quick summary of Brando vs North Island?
#2918
I'm counting on it! We're scheduled to stay there next September (along with Duba Plains Camp and Zarafa Camp) - we've been assured by management that it will be complete by the end of 2017, so hopefully we can rest easy.
#2920
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 61
we are going to Bisate next month! anything you would highlight? or any activities not to be missed besides gorilla trekking? Would love to hear your feedback!!
Just came back from the Brando. One big plus - no mosquitos as they have been eradicated using novel methods.
Also went to Bisate Lodge in Rwanda. The villas are very comfortable, good to relax after long gorilla trekking.
Went to Alpina a couple of years ago. My kids loved their swimming pool and the Japanese restaurant.
Will try out Vitzau. Looking for ideas of where to go next. Thanks for all the posts here.
Looks good for people with busy schedule, but still need to be flexible as weather is so unpredictable in Antarctica. Although Ilyushin is older and less comfortable, somehow I find it more dependable to fly to extreme environment.
Also went to Bisate Lodge in Rwanda. The villas are very comfortable, good to relax after long gorilla trekking.
Went to Alpina a couple of years ago. My kids loved their swimming pool and the Japanese restaurant.
Will try out Vitzau. Looking for ideas of where to go next. Thanks for all the posts here.
Looks good for people with busy schedule, but still need to be flexible as weather is so unpredictable in Antarctica. Although Ilyushin is older and less comfortable, somehow I find it more dependable to fly to extreme environment.
#2921
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 148
North Island has better beach and service is more personalized with butler. You get to drive around in your own buggy.
The Brando villas are smaller but more modern in design, which I like better. You have to ask for buggy to pick you up - could take a while if occupancy is high. The sea is calmer as it's inside atoll, good for swimming and kayaking. I liked the food better at the Brando, although the fine dining was a little disappointing.
The Brando villas are smaller but more modern in design, which I like better. You have to ask for buggy to pick you up - could take a while if occupancy is high. The sea is calmer as it's inside atoll, good for swimming and kayaking. I liked the food better at the Brando, although the fine dining was a little disappointing.
#2922
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 148
Some people do Golden Monkey trekking which I didn't do. The Bisate Lodge can arrange a visit to the local village and meet local people - I found the experience quite interesting.
#2923
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You can ask to stay in Villa 6 and choose to do difficult gorilla trekking if you are very fit. Otherwise ask for lower villas as the Lodge is located on steep slope with lots of stairs.
Some people do Golden Monkey trekking which I didn't do. The Bisate Lodge can arrange a visit to the local village and meet local people - I found the experience quite interesting.
Some people do Golden Monkey trekking which I didn't do. The Bisate Lodge can arrange a visit to the local village and meet local people - I found the experience quite interesting.
Sabyinyo also had quite the steep hillside walk to reach the main lodge, let alone to reach the various cottages and suites.
If the stairs at Bisate to higher elevation villas are of any concern to you, trust me when I say that you definitely do not want to do a "difficult" gorilla trek! (All people staying at any and all lodges and camps meet at the same start point for all gorilla trekking.) The estimates are just that: estimates. Gorilla families can move quite a bit from the moment you are assigned one, so there are no guarantees!
Difficult means about up to 3 hrs each way trekking to reach your assigned family. We did moderate...and ended up trekking 3.5 hrs to reach our Susa A family. (It was another 2.5 hrs back down, making for an extremely tough day!) I don't recommend that to anyone. It was traumatizing...but still worth it once we got there. It was so tough that we almost considered not going the next day, despite already having bought the permits! (We did go the next day, but fortunately were assigned an easy trek for that.)
Moderate means about up to 2 hrs each way trekking to reach your assigned family.
Easy means about up to 1 hr each way trekking to reach your assigned family. That is still likely to be tougher than the climb to your cottage or villa at the lodge!
The higher you go up the mountain/volcano, the more beautiful it becomes. But also steeper and denser. Tougher trekking.
We also had organized and paid for permits (much cheaper) to do the golden monkey trekking for our 3rd day...but we cancelled that after our 2nd day of trekking. Instead, we spent the 3rd day relaxing at the Lodge and enjoying the beauty of the setting. Trust me: the treks can take a lot out of you. Of course, @KI-NRT also were at the Sabyinyo Silverback Lodge at the same time, and they had much easier treks to reach the same families that we did. Lucky ********! So you never know.
We did spend time at the Genocide Museum in Kigali. Highly recommended. See review above.
On the other hand, had we not had the ridiculous 3.5 trek, we wouldn't have enjoyed this incredible scene on Christmas Day 2014 (that's me in the blue, moments after I stumbled directly onto the 650+ lb Silverback!):
Last edited by bhrubin; Sep 1, 2017 at 4:23 pm
#2925
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 148
We chose easy and got easy (relatively speaking) trekking. Porters are highly recommended - not only do they carry your backpacks, they pull you up when it is too steep for you to climb.