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Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
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That's a non schengen entry transiting to a non Schengen departure
What's likely to happen DUB-FRA-JMK non Schengen into Schengen? There'll have to be passport control but is a bus transfer likely ?
How easy is directions signing for the likes of that?
Am Fully vaccinated and have the EU Digital covid cert
never done this process before and Its been over 20 years since I've been in FRA
Hence all the questions
Thanks
What's likely to happen DUB-FRA-JMK non Schengen into Schengen? There'll have to be passport control but is a bus transfer likely ?
How easy is directions signing for the likes of that?
Am Fully vaccinated and have the EU Digital covid cert
never done this process before and Its been over 20 years since I've been in FRA
Hence all the questions
Thanks
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Your DUB inbound is likely to arrive at non-Schengen B, Z or a remote stand. Your JMK departure is likely to depart from A, Schengen B or a remote stand.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
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Your DUB inbound is likely to arrive at non-Schengen B, Z or a remote stand. Your JMK departure is likely to depart from A, Schengen B or a remote stand.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
The Frankfurt Arrivals page has today's flight labeled as Terminal 1 platform A does that mean it arrives in at the A you mention above ?
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Your DUB inbound is likely to arrive at non-Schengen B, Z or a remote stand. Your JMK departure is likely to depart from A, Schengen B or a remote stand.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
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The midday flight from Dublin arrives at Z gates today. The evening one to B. Subject to change due to operational reasons.
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For the actual arrival gate I suggest you check lufthansa.com under Flight Status. This gives you the actual gate numbers though there can be last minute changes. You can usually check departure and arrival gates a couple of days in advance. For tomorrow LH983 is expected to arrive at Z17, LH979 at AEUW and LH981 at ANS (A non-Schengen bus gate).
The map at the top shows arrival/departure gates and checkin halls. The map at the bottom shows arrival halls (baggage claims) you find on Frankfurt Airport's arrivals information page.
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https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-policy/oss_en
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Dublin as well as UK airports are deemed clean for security purposes. Although the UK has left the EU it is still considered clean for One Stop Security purposes as far as I know. Other "clean" countries include the US and Canada.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-policy/oss_en
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-policy/oss_en
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2. Dublin is, of course, the capital city of the Republic of Ireland. Unless (a) Irish politics have moved at the most incredible speed in the last few hours, and (b) there is an awesomely effective reporting ban in place, the Republic of Ireland today is an EU member....
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1. Others on here seem sure that Dublin is deemed clean with one-stop security for onward transfers at DE airports, although I don't myself have it in writing or from experience.
2. Dublin is, of course, the capital city of the Republic of Ireland. Unless (a) Irish politics have moved at the most incredible speed in the last few hours, and (b) there is an awesomely effective reporting ban in place, the Republic of Ireland today is an EU member....
2. Dublin is, of course, the capital city of the Republic of Ireland. Unless (a) Irish politics have moved at the most incredible speed in the last few hours, and (b) there is an awesomely effective reporting ban in place, the Republic of Ireland today is an EU member....
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Frankfurt Airport's arrivals page does not list the actual arrival gate numbers but lists where passengers collect checked bags and enter the public area of the terminal under "Terminal, Hall". Today's LH979 is scheduled to arrive at Z18 (hence Terminal 1, Hall A). LH981 is scheduled to arrive at B48 (Terminal 1, Hall B according to Frankfurt Airport's arrivals page). Please see maps below.
For the actual arrival gate I suggest you check lufthansa.com under Flight Status. This gives you the actual gate numbers though there can be last minute changes. You can usually check departure and arrival gates a couple of days in advance. For tomorrow LH983 is expected to arrive at Z17, LH979 at AEUW and LH981 at ANS (A non-Schengen bus gate).
The map at the top shows arrival/departure gates and checkin halls. The map at the bottom shows arrival halls (baggage claims) you find on Frankfurt Airport's arrivals information page.
For the actual arrival gate I suggest you check lufthansa.com under Flight Status. This gives you the actual gate numbers though there can be last minute changes. You can usually check departure and arrival gates a couple of days in advance. For tomorrow LH983 is expected to arrive at Z17, LH979 at AEUW and LH981 at ANS (A non-Schengen bus gate).
The map at the top shows arrival/departure gates and checkin halls. The map at the bottom shows arrival halls (baggage claims) you find on Frankfurt Airport's arrivals information page.
For reference, what would that entail,heading over to the Schengen area?
Thanks,you are all very helpful 👍
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1) follow the signs for Skyline train to A/Z, go through transfer security and down to passport control into A Schengen, or
2) go through passport control, down the escalator, at the end of the corridor turn sharp left to B security into B Schengen, down to and through the tunnel to A Schengen.
But I haven’t been to FRA for a while so I don’t know if both options are currently available. It was also possible to walk through the public area of the terminal to go through A security into A Schengen. If the Skyline train is operating I believe the “official” route is 1.
if you have the Lufthansa app, Info & Service > Airport Maps > Frankfurt Airport Interactive airport map > Directions gives you an option to enter the start and end locations to show you the route. It’s not always reliable and is not good at showing where security checkpoints and passport control are but I just tried Gate B43 to Gate A28 and it took me via the Skyline and told me it would take 53 minutes!
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Aug 17, 2021 at 8:04 am