Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA]
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Aug 15, 21, 2:43 pm
#6272
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Originally Posted by yerffej201
is there a link to a site that confirms this?
Aug 16, 21, 2:11 am
#6273
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Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
So we could assume that the Z->B shuttle is back.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
What's likely to happen DUB-FRA-JMK non Schengen into Schengen? There'll have to be passport control but is a bus transfer likely ?
How easy is directions signing for the likes of that?
Am Fully vaccinated and have the EU Digital covid cert
never done this process before and Its been over 20 years since I've been in FRA
Hence all the questions
Thanks
Aug 16, 21, 3:02 am
#6274
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Originally Posted by Earthman
What's likely to happen DUB-FRA-JMK non Schengen into Schengen?
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
Aug 16, 21, 3:30 am
#6275
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Originally Posted by FlyerLX
Your DUB inbound is likely to arrive at non-Schengen B, Z or a remote stand. Your JMK departure is likely to depart from A, Schengen B or a remote stand.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
The Frankfurt Arrivals page has today's flight labeled as Terminal 1 platform A does that mean it arrives in at the A you mention above ?
Aug 16, 21, 3:53 am
#6276
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Originally Posted by FlyerLX
Your DUB inbound is likely to arrive at non-Schengen B, Z or a remote stand. Your JMK departure is likely to depart from A, Schengen B or a remote stand.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
As seen in this thread, the theory is that if you arrive clean, you can transfer without security check. I'm pretty sure ROI counts as clean because it's EU (although, just for info, plenty of non-EU countries are clean for transfer in DE too.) As your arrival is non-Schengen, you will go through passport control because you are entering Schengen at FRA.
The theory does not always translate into practice.
If you arrive on Z, you're in luck: just follow the signs to A (reasonably clear for FRA, amazingly) which take you through passport and down a big escalator to a huge duty free area where you can either spend all your money or just walk through to A. You see a confusing security check straight ahead of you but that's not for you. If you depart from A, just follow your signs to your gate; if you're departing from Schengen B, just go through the tunnel from A to B and follow the signs past the passport check at the other end, and go on to your gate. Don't go through passport control when you emerge from the tunnel as that takes you back out of Schengen (I think.)
If you arrive on B, however, you cannot transfer anywhere else without a security check, so you (as I understand) have no choice but to go through security. This is a case of airport logistics taking priority over an international agreement. Follow the signs as best you can, and do the same if you arrive on a remote stand.
FRA is a maze, and the staff are really not (as I have found regularly in recent times) particularly pleasant or helpful. Try to book via MUC in future.
Aug 16, 21, 4:15 am
#6277
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Originally Posted by Earthman
Thanks,that's extremely helpful
The Frankfurt Arrivals page has today's flight labeled as Terminal 1 platform A does that mean it arrives in at the A you mention above ?
The Frankfurt Arrivals page has today's flight labeled as Terminal 1 platform A does that mean it arrives in at the A you mention above ?
The midday flight from Dublin arrives at Z gates today. The evening one to B. Subject to change due to operational reasons.
Aug 16, 21, 4:16 am
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Originally Posted by Earthman
Thanks,that's extremely helpful
The Frankfurt Arrivals page has today's flight labeled as Terminal 1 platform A does that mean it arrives in at the A you mention above ?
The Frankfurt Arrivals page has today's flight labeled as Terminal 1 platform A does that mean it arrives in at the A you mention above ?
For the actual arrival gate I suggest you check lufthansa.com under Flight Status. This gives you the actual gate numbers though there can be last minute changes. You can usually check departure and arrival gates a couple of days in advance. For tomorrow LH983 is expected to arrive at Z17, LH979 at AEUW and LH981 at ANS (A non-Schengen bus gate).
The map at the top shows arrival/departure gates and checkin halls. The map at the bottom shows arrival halls (baggage claims) you find on Frankfurt Airport's arrivals information page.
Aug 16, 21, 4:24 am
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Originally Posted by MumbaiDan
Dublin is not deemed “clean”. It’s a full non EU arrival and treated accordingly
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-policy/oss_en
Aug 16, 21, 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Dublin as well as UK airports are deemed clean for security purposes. Although the UK has left the EU it is still considered clean for One Stop Security purposes as far as I know. Other "clean" countries include the US and Canada.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-policy/oss_en
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-policy/oss_en
Aug 16, 21, 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by chris63
Yes, it’s just FRAPORT that has difficulty coping with clean arrivals....
Aug 16, 21, 7:46 am
#6282
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Originally Posted by MumbaiDan
Dublin is not deemed “clean”. It’s a full non EU arrival and treated accordingly
2. Dublin is, of course, the capital city of the Republic of Ireland. Unless (a) Irish politics have moved at the most incredible speed in the last few hours, and (b) there is an awesomely effective reporting ban in place, the Republic of Ireland today is an EU member....
Aug 16, 21, 8:35 am
#6283
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Originally Posted by FlyerLX
1. Others on here seem sure that Dublin is deemed clean with one-stop security for onward transfers at DE airports, although I don't myself have it in writing or from experience.
2. Dublin is, of course, the capital city of the Republic of Ireland. Unless (a) Irish politics have moved at the most incredible speed in the last few hours, and (b) there is an awesomely effective reporting ban in place, the Republic of Ireland today is an EU member....
2. Dublin is, of course, the capital city of the Republic of Ireland. Unless (a) Irish politics have moved at the most incredible speed in the last few hours, and (b) there is an awesomely effective reporting ban in place, the Republic of Ireland today is an EU member....
Aug 17, 21, 6:22 am
#6284
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Frankfurt Airport's arrivals page does not list the actual arrival gate numbers but lists where passengers collect checked bags and enter the public area of the terminal under "Terminal, Hall". Today's LH979 is scheduled to arrive at Z18 (hence Terminal 1, Hall A). LH981 is scheduled to arrive at B48 (Terminal 1, Hall B according to Frankfurt Airport's arrivals page). Please see maps below.
For the actual arrival gate I suggest you check lufthansa.com under Flight Status. This gives you the actual gate numbers though there can be last minute changes. You can usually check departure and arrival gates a couple of days in advance. For tomorrow LH983 is expected to arrive at Z17, LH979 at AEUW and LH981 at ANS (A non-Schengen bus gate).
The map at the top shows arrival/departure gates and checkin halls. The map at the bottom shows arrival halls (baggage claims) you find on Frankfurt Airport's arrivals information page.
For the actual arrival gate I suggest you check lufthansa.com under Flight Status. This gives you the actual gate numbers though there can be last minute changes. You can usually check departure and arrival gates a couple of days in advance. For tomorrow LH983 is expected to arrive at Z17, LH979 at AEUW and LH981 at ANS (A non-Schengen bus gate).
The map at the top shows arrival/departure gates and checkin halls. The map at the bottom shows arrival halls (baggage claims) you find on Frankfurt Airport's arrivals information page.
For reference, what would that entail,heading over to the Schengen area?
Thanks,you are all very helpful 👍
Aug 17, 21, 7:49 am
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Originally Posted by Earthman
The Dublin flight this morning actually arrived at gate B43
For reference, what would that entail,heading over to the Schengen area?
Thanks,you are all very helpful 👍
For reference, what would that entail,heading over to the Schengen area?
Thanks,you are all very helpful 👍
1) follow the signs for Skyline train to A/Z, go through transfer security and down to passport control into A Schengen, or
2) go through passport control, down the escalator, at the end of the corridor turn sharp left to B security into B Schengen, down to and through the tunnel to A Schengen.
But I haven’t been to FRA for a while so I don’t know if both options are currently available. It was also possible to walk through the public area of the terminal to go through A security into A Schengen. If the Skyline train is operating I believe the “official” route is 1.
if you have the Lufthansa app, Info & Service > Airport Maps > Frankfurt Airport Interactive airport map > Directions gives you an option to enter the start and end locations to show you the route. It’s not always reliable and is not good at showing where security checkpoints and passport control are but I just tried Gate B43 to Gate A28 and it took me via the Skyline and told me it would take 53 minutes!
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Aug 17, 21 at 8:04 am
