Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Oct 5, 2019, 7:42 pm
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I'm assuming they continued to use the station for Z, so that's why the train keeps running. NewbieRunner said a staff member directed Schengen pax back on the train so they could get off at the B/C station and walk to central A security there. It should also have been the job of the station attendant in B/C to make sure no one travels in the Schengen carriage towards A. You could go to B/C and ask the attendant if the checkpoint in the A/Z station is open or not.
I guess FRAport doesn't deem this important enough to publish the status of this security checkpoint (open or closed) on the website, unfortunately..
Oct 6, 2019, 1:34 pm
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A 55 mn connection time in Frankfurt, on a Sunday afternoon, arriving from Sofia (Bulgaria) and going to Paris : is it doable? SOF-FRA seems to be often 20-30 mn late on weekends.
Oct 6, 2019, 2:07 pm
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Otherwise,
If the SOF-FRA flight arrives at Z gates, it's pretty doable
If the SOF-FRA flight arrives at B or C gates, security on Sundays is pretty horrible at FRA so you might not make it.
Oct 6, 2019, 2:09 pm
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Thanks, yes. Seems like it may be better then for me to simply stay inside non-Schengen at T2, take SkyLine directly to A/Z, and go through the Z central security, then down to A. Presumably for flights departing in the next 30 minutes or so, like I recall there is for A central security, there should be some way to bypass the long security line, if so is the case then around 9:30am, as I expect will be likely the case.
I guess FRAport doesn't deem this important enough to publish the status of this security checkpoint (open or closed) on the website, unfortunately..
I guess FRAport doesn't deem this important enough to publish the status of this security checkpoint (open or closed) on the website, unfortunately..
Oct 6, 2019, 3:53 pm
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Thanks, yes. Seems like it may be better then for me to simply stay inside non-Schengen at T2, take SkyLine directly to A/Z, and go through the Z central security, then down to A. Presumably for flights departing in the next 30 minutes or so, like I recall there is for A central security, there should be some way to bypass the long security line, if so is the case then around 9:30am, as I expect will be likely the case.
Oct 6, 2019, 4:03 pm
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Why? There are passengers who need to go through Z central security other than those flying to the US. Queues may be longer at certain times of the day but they cannot turn away passengers not flying to the US. Document checks for US departures do not take place at central security AFAIW.
I've also witnessed an occasion, where a passenger was asked to wait until his departure time by the aviation security agents; indeed he was flying to Ankara ( before LH did drop the route ) at 21:00ish and he wasn't able to clear security at 15:00ish.
Document checks for US departures do not take place at central security AFAIW.
When the document check is before Z central or upstairs security ( for transfer pax ), for FRA joining pax, they check documents before Z passport control at the upper level.
Oct 6, 2019, 4:49 pm
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It would actually depend on Z departures when there are only US departures at Z until afternoon, they don't let other passengers thru.
I've also witnessed an occasion, where a passenger was asked to wait until his departure time by the aviation security agents; indeed he was flying to Ankara ( before LH did drop the route ) at 21:00ish and he wasn't able to clear security at 15:00ish.
I've also witnessed an occasion, where a passenger was asked to wait until his departure time by the aviation security agents; indeed he was flying to Ankara ( before LH did drop the route ) at 21:00ish and he wasn't able to clear security at 15:00ish.
Oct 6, 2019, 6:16 pm
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Based on a report by NewbieRunner, this checkpoint may be temporarily (or definitely) closed. During my last trip through FRA the previous month, I also noticed the door to go the opposite way from Terminal A to SkyLine was roped off ("temporarily out of use," said the sign). So if you have to catch a plane in a short time, I wouldn't risk it, at least not until we have confirmation that it is open again.
I'm assuming they continued to use the station for Z, so that's why the train keeps running. NewbieRunner said a staff member directed Schengen pax back on the train so they could get off at the B/C station and walk to central A security there. It should also have been the job of the station attendant in B/C to make sure no one travels in the Schengen carriage towards A. You could go to B/C and ask the attendant if the checkpoint in the A/Z station is open or not.
However, as you will see in another thread there was power outage which closed down part of A security on the day I was there. It is possible that the closure of A security for Skyline passengers was temporary.
Oct 6, 2019, 6:41 pm
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What would you claim is the fastest way to go from Senator lounge at B43 and to Z50, out of the three options, when flying in Business class?
* The skyline train from B to Z
* Out and in through A/Z security
* Out and in through B security and then the tunnel
* The skyline train from B to Z
* Out and in through A/Z security
* Out and in through B security and then the tunnel
Oct 6, 2019, 8:50 pm
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As I recall, for flights departing in the next 30 minutes (or what not), one will be allowed to bypass the long security lines, from the last time I was unfortunate enough to have to connect in FRA.
Oct 6, 2019, 8:52 pm
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Oct 7, 2019, 2:28 am
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The other two options involve passport control twice in addition to security.
Although not relevant to this particular question the best way to go from B non-Schengen to A is a little more tricky.
Oct 7, 2019, 4:37 pm
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However, as you will see in another thread there was power outage which closed down part of A security on the day I was there. It is possible that the closure of A security for Skyline passengers was temporary.
That's indeed the door for the SkyLine, it looks like it was unguarded even! IIRC this leads to stairs only. There are elevators behind them - the elevators that take pax from the checkpoint down to the concourse - but I think you need a staff member (the guard I presume) to call and operate them going up.
I like how they put a sticker with a text on that door. It's impossible to read that standing before the door because the door slides open automatically. And if you'd keep standing too long inside the doorway to read the text, you'd most likely trigger an alarm, as that door is a boundary between airside and landside with a strict "point of no return" policy. I should snap a pic of what the sticker says next time.
Oct 8, 2019, 9:07 pm
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So, this bus that runs from clean arrivals in Z to B and avoids transit security, where does it run from? On LH419 landing in a couple hours connecting to TG and would love to avoid not only transit security but the long, long walk as well. Thanks!
Oct 8, 2019, 9:10 pm
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