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Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:

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 DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22
 FRA LH TO LH
 FRA-FRA      FROM          -             TO             D/D  D/I  I/D  I/I
 CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM
 LH                BUS      -                            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -                  TRN       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH           BR            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           EG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ET            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           IN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           JP            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           QA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           TH            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           US            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ZA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -             US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           KJR           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KWQ           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QDU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH 0400-0799               -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                        Y-                  TRN       0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KJR          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KWQ          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QDU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKL          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           ZWS          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH                       CA-                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       AC-                  TRN       ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH           PL          LO-                            ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH           PL          LO-             SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 0100 0100
 -LH           BR             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           EG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ET             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           IN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           JP             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           QA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           SG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TH             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ZA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TLV            ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRN      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                TRS      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   BUS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           XER  BUS      -LH           SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           TLV            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 SG             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 ZA             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                BUS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH                        Y-LH                BUS       ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                       AC-LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0200 ----
 LH           US          UA-LH                          ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       UA-LH           BY             ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH                       EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0100
 -LH                       AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 -LH           PL          LO ---- 0100 ---- ----
 -LH           BR          OS ---- 0100 ---- ----
 SC            -LH           PL          LO ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 LH                BUS      -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           BY            -LH                       UA ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH           QDU           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH                       LG-LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH                       LG ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH           AT          OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
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Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)

Old Jun 4, 2010, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by encierro98
Wondering if anybody knows what gates the IAH-FRA flight usually arrives in...
Who knows!

A65 yesterday, B26 today, BNS (bus gate) tomorrow, BNS Sunday, C04 Monday...
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Old Jun 5, 2010, 2:56 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
I seem to remember reading a report that security checks on leaving the FCL B were still in place for TLV and US departures but I may be mistaken.
Could be- however 2 weeks ago flying to JFK no.
The frequency with which FRA changes are the only certainty.
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Old Jun 5, 2010, 10:11 am
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Fellow Frankfurters,

what would be your recommendation for a HON/F pax connecting in FRA to TLV, given that security checks are not being done anymore in FCL/B and the limo trip ends at sec check C?

The feeder arrived at an apron position, Limo could only take me to bus exits A or B. I chose A and walked to the FCT on the lower level. I guess, that is the best option to escape the security insanity, or?
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Old Jun 5, 2010, 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by mamb0
Fellow Frankfurters,

what would be your recommendation for a HON/F pax connecting in FRA to TLV, given that security checks are not being done anymore in FCL/B and the limo trip ends at sec check C?

The feeder arrived at an apron position, Limo could only take me to bus exits A or B. I chose A and walked to the FCT on the lower level. I guess, that is the best option to escape the security insanity, or?
I have no idea about TLV. However my rule is that if the departure is from B and I get a limo with my arriving flight, then I go for FCL B22. If it is C gates departure or I arrive in A, then I just don't bother and go to the FCT.

If I have to walk stupidly long anyway to get to my gate and might end up in a second security screening, why bother at all. The walk over to the FCT is actually pretty quick.
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Old Jul 1, 2010, 11:54 pm
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Question for NewbieRunner or mh492

I have been tracking the arrival gate of LH493 at FRA and for the longest time it has been BNS (Non-Schengen arrivals at Bus Gate). We leave in 2 weeks. NewbieRunner previously mentioned that All non-Schengen bus arrivals go to B International Arrivals which is between gates B50-53 and B54-59. I looked at the recommended map ([Ihttp://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/pdf/70/media_697070.pdf[/I]), but I am having a hard time visualizing where these gates are located. Could you help me with this? Are they one level below the other Pier B gates which are on level 2? How do you get from these Bus Gates to go up to Passport Control? Is Passport Control on level 3? After Passport Control,we want to go to Concourse B for a bite before going to our connecting Schengen flight (LH 4086). Our connecting flight may leave from an A Gate (eg. A15) or another B Gate (eg. B10). Thanks for your help.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 2:00 am
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Originally Posted by europe10
I have been tracking the arrival gate of LH493 at FRA and for the longest time it has been BNS (Non-Schengen arrivals at Bus Gate). We leave in 2 weeks. NewbieRunner previously mentioned that All non-Schengen bus arrivals go to B International Arrivals which is between gates B50-53 and B54-59. I looked at the recommended map ([Ihttp://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/pdf/70/media_697070.pdf[/I]), but I am having a hard time visualizing where these gates are located. Could you help me with this? Are they one level below the other Pier B gates which are on level 2? How do you get from these Bus Gates to go up to Passport Control? Is Passport Control on level 3? After Passport Control,we want to go to Concourse B for a bite before going to our connecting Schengen flight (LH 4086). Our connecting flight may leave from an A Gate (eg. A15) or another B Gate (eg. B10). Thanks for your help.
I can only repeat DownUnderFlyer's excellent advice to follow the signs!

I think the non-Schengen bus gates are on level 1 and passport control is on level 3. There are escalators and an elevator you can take from the bus gates.

Since you seem to have plenty of time between your flights, you may want to stay in the public area for a bite before going through security to the departure area.

Since I've successfully avoided BNS arrivals for several months now I hope mh492 or other FRA regulars will be able to correct me if needed.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 2:08 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
I can only repeat DownUnderFlyer's excellent advice to follow the signs!

I think the non-Schengen bus gates are on level 1 and passport control is on level 3. There are escalators and an elevator you can take from the bus gates.
Exactly. Now that the Arrivals are segregated the escalator is enclosed in glass and you have to go from level 1 to level 3, with no chance to go to level 2 before clearing security or immigration at level 3.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 2:31 am
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Originally Posted by hch
Exactly. Now that the Arrivals are segregated the escalator is enclosed in glass and you have to go from level 1 to level 3, with no chance to go to level 2 before clearing security or immigration at level 3.
Thanks for the follow-up. ^ I seem to remember there were two sets of escalators but presumably they both take you up to level 3 now.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 4:12 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Thanks for the follow-up. ^ I seem to remember there were two sets of escalators but presumably they both take you up to level 3 now.
The escalators from Level 1 to Level 2 still exist, by they can't be reached from the Bus Arrival anymore. Level 1 has turned into a dungeon now that a concrete wall separates the departure gates and the arrival area. A few of the bus gates were also lost to it, but I don't rember which numbers exactly.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 7:29 am
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One more Question about Pier B

Thanks for the reply. Your descriptions are making this clearer. When we take the escalator/elevator to Level 3 from level 1 (Bus Gate) do we have to proceed immediately to Passport Control? We would like to have a shower as we have just travelled 10 hours in economy. There is one located in Pier B by Gate B30 (next to DUTY FREE SHOP). Can we go there first or do we have to go to Passport Control first? There is another shower located in Conourse B by the shopping/eating area. Would this be a better location after Passport Control? We plan to go here anyway, for a bite to eat before going to our connecting Schengen flight (LH 4086). Thanks for your help.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 7:38 am
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Originally Posted by europe10
Thanks for the reply. Your descriptions are making this clearer. When we take the escalator/elevator to Level 3 from level 1 (Bus Gate) do we have to proceed immediately to Passport Control?
You don't have to. You have three a few options once you're on level 3:
  1. clear immigration, then go to the Welcome Lounge landside to have a shower, then clear security to A/B Schengen
  2. clear immigration, then go over to pier A landside, pass security and go to the SEN lounge in A Schengen
  3. clear immigraton and security in B, then take the tunnel to A Schengen, use the lounge there.
  4. clear security, go to the SEN lounge in B non-Schengen, then clear immigration and security again in B Schengen, if nessecary take the tunnel to A schengen
  5. take the Sky train to terminal A, clear security once, clear immigration, clear security again and go to the SEN lounge in A Schengen

I would strongly recommend (1) if you're allowed into the Welcome Lounge, else option (2).
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 7:43 am
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Originally Posted by europe10
When we take the escalator/elevator to Level 3 from level 1 (Bus Gate) do we have to proceed immediately to Passport Control? We would like to have a shower as we have just travelled 10 hours in economy. There is one located in Pier B by Gate B30 (next to DUTY FREE SHOP). Can we go there first or do we have to go to Passport Control first? There is another shower located in Conourse B by the shopping/eating area. Would this be a better location after Passport Control? We plan to go here anyway, for a bite to eat before going to our connecting Schengen flight (LH 4086). Thanks for your help.
You can only go to the shower by B30 (which is on level 2) by going through security and I don't know if they'll let you do so without a BP for a flight departing from B non-Schengen. I have no experience of using either but the shower after passport control seems like a better option (i.e. less hassle).
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I would strongly recommend (1) if you're allowed into the Welcome Lounge, else option (2).
Ooops, hch has beaten me to it but the OP is travelling in Y and hasn't said he has status.

I was therefore assuming that he hasn't.
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Old Jul 2, 2010, 8:53 am
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Thank you for the advice. And yes NewbieRunner, I am without "status". I will have to shower wth the "masses" in Concourse B. But I will wave to you guys as I go through Passport Control.
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I'm arriving from NCE (most likely at the B Schengen Bus gate), and departing on US from Concourse C (in business class). Can I enter the B Non-Schengen area to wait at the LH Lounges? Is it possible to go from B Non-Schengen to C airside? I understand that there are two parts of Concourse C, and I can't reach the gates US uses from that LH lounge.
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