Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Oct 9, 2018, 4:49 am
#4906
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The SkyLine A/Z station is situated in neither. It is situated on the floor above the Z concourse. When you go from A to the station, you can actually see the silhouettes of people walking in Z through the matte glass when you arrive on the Z floor after climbing one level up from A. From there, you take the escalator one level more up to the actual station. Note this is where the LH map gets it wrong, the station is not on the Z floor, it's the level above. If you take a very liberal interpretation to the FRAPORT PDF map, then you could maybe see that they tried to abstract this upper-level location in their map.
A map of the same location on level 3 (Z concourse) shows a security checkpoint but not on level 2 (A concourse).
You can travel from SkyLine Station B to SkyLine Station A/Z with a BP for A. When leaving the train, you go down one level and arrive on the Z floor, where you will also find a small security checkpoint for A. After passing that checkpoint, you go down one more level and you arrive in A near A16 and the entrance to the A-B tunnel. (Edit: note this is all from the perspective of someone sitting in the landside SkyLine carriage).
That's the SkyLine A security checkpoint where I never see anybody else btw, I wasn't talking about the busy checkpoint just next to the mandatory walk-through Duty Free store.
That's the SkyLine A security checkpoint where I never see anybody else btw, I wasn't talking about the busy checkpoint just next to the mandatory walk-through Duty Free store.
I know where the entrance to the Skyline platform in A concourse is (though the photo is a few years old) but never knew where the exit was.
Oct 9, 2018, 5:53 am
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I understand you may think I'm a dumb American who doesn't know the difference between A and Z (no offense taken), but consider this more detailed recollection: after leaving the Sheraton, I entered concourse B where I took the stairs up to the SkyLine and I boarded the landside carriage of the train going to A/Z (this was the front carriage in the direction of travel). When I exited the landside carriage at the next stop, the A/Z Station, which was also the terminus station for the train, I went down the escalator one level, followed the signs pointing to "A", which made me make a right 180 turn to arrive at a checkpoint with a big lighted "A" sign above, where they scanned the BP that I had in my hand for FRA-CPH and let me through to the scanner. After clearing security, I had to go down one more level, and without ever having to show my passport, I came in an area where I saw gate A16 (not Z16), and where I could directly take the stairs or the elevator to the A-B tunnel if I wanted to do an airside backtrack of my trip on the SkyLine by foot
Later, I boarded my flight to CPH on that same level, after having enjoyed some of the food in the LH Concourse A SEN lounge very close to the stairs/escalators where you see the people coming up that have been dropped off by buses from remote gates and near the rotunda where I also saw an entrance to the F lounge with no "dragon" guarding the entrance but with stairs visible behind the glass door.Note you can also take those elevators from the checkpoint to A. The door is where the staircase ends.
Btw they're no longer advertising concourse C on the entrance sign. It's just D and E now.
Last edited by mozilla; Oct 9, 2018 at 8:24 am
Oct 10, 2018, 3:56 am
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I understand you may think I'm a dumb American who doesn't know the difference between A and Z (no offense taken), but consider this more detailed recollection: ...
It's this very nondescript and unremarkable door. It's situated a little further to the west of the entrance. Ie close to A16, while the entrance is more towards A15.
Note you can also take those elevators from the checkpoint to A. The door is where the staircase ends.
Note you can also take those elevators from the checkpoint to A. The door is where the staircase ends.
There are also these doors almost opposite which may be where you come down from the Skyline platform. Unfortunately I seem to have missed the signs in front of the doors.
Btw they're no longer advertising concourse C on the entrance sign. It's just D and E now.
The first post of this thread might need revising (along with a few other changes I’ve been meaning to make).
Oct 10, 2018, 4:14 am
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That way of circumventing the security lines in the A terminal really sounds intriguing. Some extra confirmation on this would be really helpful. Because if this is true, I will order my early morning cab to let me off in front of terminal instead of A the next time I fly within the Schengen area.
Oct 11, 2018, 1:44 am
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That way of circumventing the security lines in the A terminal really sounds intriguing. Some extra confirmation on this would be really helpful. Because if this is true, I will order my early morning cab to let me off in front of terminal instead of A the next time I fly within the Schengen area.
In fact if your taxi is coming from downtown Franfurt then get him to drop you at Terminal 2 D/E and get on the Skytrain there and stay on until A. Your taxi fare will be about € 3 cheaper!
Oct 14, 2018, 9:51 am
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Saw this today
I stumbled upon this today and saw two people zipping through that checkpoint. The one I usually use was packed at 0900.
Oct 15, 2018, 4:48 pm
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Only thing I would add is to make sure you have a BP (either mobile or printed) before boarding the train.
First, because there are no kiosk printers at all in SkyLine A/Z or on the way to the checkpoint. Second, sometimes (IME, around half of the time) the station attendant in SkyLine B wants to see your BP to make sure you won't be coming back, as SkyLine A/Z has no exit to the public area of the concourse, unlike the other landside stations. Although legally, you could ride the train to A/Z without BP and take the train back to B, since it's all part of the public area, but I wouldn't want to explain that to the attendant.
You can print a BP for concourse A at a kiosk printer in concourse B before boarding the train if necessary.
Tidbit: the SkyLine B attendant is also the SkyLine A/Z (remote) attendant, for which (s)he uses cameras and an intercom system, as one of them demonstrated to me recently when I asked why there is no visible personnel in SkyLine A/Z
First, because there are no kiosk printers at all in SkyLine A/Z or on the way to the checkpoint. Second, sometimes (IME, around half of the time) the station attendant in SkyLine B wants to see your BP to make sure you won't be coming back, as SkyLine A/Z has no exit to the public area of the concourse, unlike the other landside stations. Although legally, you could ride the train to A/Z without BP and take the train back to B, since it's all part of the public area, but I wouldn't want to explain that to the attendant.
You can print a BP for concourse A at a kiosk printer in concourse B before boarding the train if necessary.
Tidbit: the SkyLine B attendant is also the SkyLine A/Z (remote) attendant, for which (s)he uses cameras and an intercom system, as one of them demonstrated to me recently when I asked why there is no visible personnel in SkyLine A/Z
Last edited by mozilla; Oct 15, 2018 at 5:11 pm
Oct 17, 2018, 6:32 pm
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Z-A
On-board 441 now... we are parking Z54 and connecting out of A36. Despite the long walk, wasn’t their a trick to shorter passport control line at the higher end of the Z gates?
Oct 17, 2018, 11:46 pm
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I’m afraid there isn’t but since LH441 is arriving early I hope there isn’t any problem connecting to your flight from A36 (which is some distance from passport control).
Oct 18, 2018, 3:07 am
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Isn't there still a passport control by Z23 that you can go through, then down to the A gates? Not that it would have helped if coming into Z54. I did note, when arriving this Monday from the US, that there is a new (at least new to me) passport control area for passengers ending in Frankfurt. It doesn't seem to show on the FRA airport map app, but it was on Level 1 and emptied out into the baggage claim area. I wasn't completely paying attention to other passport options for connecting passengers.
Oct 18, 2018, 5:33 am
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I did note, when arriving this Monday from the US, that there is a new (at least new to me) passport control area for passengers ending in Frankfurt. It doesn't seem to show on the FRA airport map app, but it was on Level 1 and emptied out into the baggage claim area. I wasn't completely paying attention to other passport options for connecting passengers.
Oct 18, 2018, 6:41 am
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Yes, there is next to Z25. As far as I know it is only open at certain times of the day, e.g. during the morning wave of arrivals.
If you arrive at Z50-69 go straight and down some escalators instead of turning right towards the atrium. You’ll come to the same passport control area as ANS (A non-Schengen) bus arrivals.
If you arrive at Z50-69 go straight and down some escalators instead of turning right towards the atrium. You’ll come to the same passport control area as ANS (A non-Schengen) bus arrivals.
Oct 18, 2018, 10:10 am
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Stupid question: I’ve got a connection INT (Schengen) – Domestic. Both planes likely to be bus gates (LH1389 to LH64). If I read the wiki right, the MCT should be one hour, in reality it’s 50 minutes but was ticketed as one ticket.
How is it possible that this is offered – did I understand the Wiki wrong?
P.S I know that unless there’s a delay to LH64 I most likely will miss my connection (LH1389 is usually delayed around 15 minutes)
How is it possible that this is offered – did I understand the Wiki wrong?
P.S I know that unless there’s a delay to LH64 I most likely will miss my connection (LH1389 is usually delayed around 15 minutes)
Oct 18, 2018, 11:28 am
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Stupid question: I’ve got a connection INT (Schengen) – Domestic. Both planes likely to be bus gates (LH1389 to LH64). If I read the wiki right, the MCT should be one hour, in reality it’s 50 minutes but was ticketed as one ticket.
How is it possible that this is offered – did I understand the Wiki wrong?
P.S I know that unless there’s a delay to LH64 I most likely will miss my connection (LH1389 is usually delayed around 15 minutes)
How is it possible that this is offered – did I understand the Wiki wrong?
P.S I know that unless there’s a delay to LH64 I most likely will miss my connection (LH1389 is usually delayed around 15 minutes)
Oct 18, 2018, 4:06 pm
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Stupid question: I’ve got a connection INT (Schengen) – Domestic. Both planes likely to be bus gates (LH1389 to LH64). If I read the wiki right, the MCT should be one hour, in reality it’s 50 minutes but was ticketed as one ticket.
How is it possible that this is offered – did I understand the Wiki wrong?
P.S I know that unless there’s a delay to LH64 I most likely will miss my connection (LH1389 is usually delayed around 15 minutes)
How is it possible that this is offered – did I understand the Wiki wrong?
P.S I know that unless there’s a delay to LH64 I most likely will miss my connection (LH1389 is usually delayed around 15 minutes)