Beginners' guide to connecting at FRA [FRA connection thread]

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Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.

Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
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>dmlh/fra/lh DMLH/FRA/LH/23NOV16 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM LH BUS - --- --- --- 100 LH BR - --- --- 100 100 LH CA - --- --- 100 100 LH CN - --- --- 100 100 LH EG - --- --- 100 100 LH ET - --- --- 100 100 LH IN - --- --- 100 100 LH JP - --- --- 100 100 LH QA - --- --- 100 100 LH SG - --- --- 100 100 LH TH - --- --- 100 100 LH US - --- --- 100 100 LH ZA - --- --- 100 100 LH KJR - 100 100 --- --- LH KWQ - 100 100 --- --- LH QDU - 100 100 --- --- LH QKL - 100 100 --- --- LH QKU - 100 100 --- --- )>m LH ZWS - 100 100 --- --- LH KLT BUS - 100 100 --- --- LH SDA BUS - 100 100 --- --- LH 0400-0799 - --- --- 100 100 LH 7270-7329 - --- --- 100 100 LH 7330-7409 - --- --- --- 100 LH 7330-7409 BR - --- --- 100 --- LH 7270-7329 CN - --- --- 100 100 LH 5706-5769 PL - --- --- 100 --- LH 7330-7353 ZA - --- --- 045 045 LH - TRN 100 100 100 100 LH 5706-5769 PL - SC --- --- --- 100 LH - US --- 100 --- 100 LH - QKL --- --- 100 --- LH - ZWS --- --- 100 --- TRN -LH 100 100 100 100 LH BUS -LH 100 100 100 100 LH SC BUS -LH --- 100 --- 100 LH SC TRN -LH --- 100 --- 100 LH SC TRS -LH --- 100 --- 100 LH 7440-9415 US -LH --- --- 100 100 LH -LH BUS 100 100 100 100 )>m LH 6550-6849 -LH ICE --- --- 200 200 LH 6550-6849 -LH TRN --- --- 200 200 LH XER BUS -LH SC --- --- --- 100 LH -LH SC BUS --- --- 100 100 LH -LH SC TRN --- --- 100 100 LH -LH SC TRS --- --- 100 100 -LH BR --- 100 --- 100 -LH CA --- 100 --- 100 -LH CN --- 100 --- 100 -LH EG --- 100 --- 100 -LH ET --- 100 --- 100 -LH IN --- 100 --- 100 -LH JP --- 100 --- 100 -LH QA --- 100 --- 100 -LH SG --- 100 --- 100 -LH TH --- 100 --- 100 -LH US --- 100 --- 100 -LH ZA --- 100 --- 100 -LH KJR 100 --- 100 --- -LH KWQ 100 --- 100 --- -LH QDU 100 --- 100 --- -LH QKL 100 --- 100 --- )>m -LH QKU 100 --- 100 --- -LH TLV --- 100 --- 100 -LH ZWS 100 --- 100 --- LH -LH TLV --- --- --- 100 -LH KLT BUS 100 --- 100 --- -LH SDA BUS 100 --- 100 --- -LH 0400-0799 --- 100 --- 100 -LH 6550-6849 --- --- --- 100 -LH 7252-7269 --- 115 --- 115 -LH 7330-7409 --- --- --- 100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 --- 115 --- 115 LH -LH 7440-9415 --- 100 --- 100 LH BUS -LH 6550-6849 --- --- --- 200 LH ICE -LH 6550-6849 --- 200 --- 200 LH TRN -LH 6550-6849 --- 200 --- 200 LH TRN -LH 7440-9415 --- 130 --- --- LH 6550-6849 -LH 6850-6901 --- --- --- 200 LH 0001-3799 BUS -LH 0400-0799 --- 100 --- 100 LH 0001-3799 ICE -LH 0400-0799 --- 100 --- 100 LH 0001-3799 TRN -LH 0400-0799 --- 100 --- 100 LH 0001-3799 TRS -LH 0400-0799 --- 100 --- 100 LH 6850-6901 LUX -LH 6550-6849 --- --- --- 200 )>m LH 6550-6849 LUX -LH 6850-6901 --- --- --- 200 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS --- --- 100 100 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 ICE --- --- 100 100 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN --- --- 100 100 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS --- --- 100 100 1-LH 6010-6299 SC 1 --- --- --- 100 2-LH 6010-6299 SC 1 --- --- --- 130 SC 1-LH 6010-6299 SC 1 --- --- --- 045 SC 2-LH 6010-6299 SC 1 --- --- --- 100 BR -LH 6032-6280 SC 1 --- --- --- 150 EZE -LH 6032-6280 SC 1 --- --- --- 200 -LH 7330-7409 BR --- 100 --- --- -LH 5706-5769 PL --- 100 --- --- SC -LH 5706-5769 PL --- --- --- 100 LH -LH 7440-9415 US --- 100 --- 100 LH TRN -LH 7440-9415 US --- 130 --- --- LH QDU -LH 7440-9415 US --- 130 --- --- LH QKL -LH 7440-9415 US --- 130 --- --- LH ZWS -LH 7440-9415 US --- 130 --- --- LH 6550-6849 -LH 6320-6479 AT --- --- --- 100 LH 0001-3799 SC -LH 0400-0799 SG --- 045 --- 045 LH 0001-3799 SC -LH 0400-0799 US --- 045 --- 045 )>m LH 0001-3799 SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA --- 045 --- 045 LH 0001-3799 SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US --- 100 --- --- LH 0443 -LH 0126 --- --- 050 --- LH 0463 -LH 0270 --- --- --- 055 LH 0741 -LH 0274 --- --- --- 055 LH 0419 -LH 0324 --- --- --- 055 LH 0491 -LH 0392 --- --- --- 050 LH 0691 -LH 0440 --- --- --- 050 LH 0949 -LH 0456 --- --- --- 050 LH 1335 -LH 0470 --- --- --- 055 LH 1235 -LH 0498 --- --- --- 050 LH 1133 -LH 0506 --- --- --- 055 LH 1235 -LH 0542 --- --- --- 045 LH 1219 -LH 0578 --- --- --- 055 LH 0055 -LH 0634 --- 055 --- --- LH 1187 -LH 0634 --- --- --- 055 LH 1339 -LH 0720 --- --- --- 055 LH 0489 -LH 0756 --- --- --- 045 LH 0999 -LH 0772 --- --- --- 050 LH 1099 -LH 0772 --- --- --- 055 LH 0465 -LH 0816 --- --- --- 050 LH 0463 -LH 0836 --- --- --- 055 )>m LH 0999 -LH 0772 --- --- --- 050 LH 1099 -LH 0772 --- --- --- 055 LH 0465 -LH 0816 --- --- --- 050 LH 0463 -LH 0836 --- --- --- 055 LH 0569 -LH 0926 --- --- --- 050 LH 0491 -LH 1444 --- --- --- 045 LH 0489 -LH 1446 --- --- --- 050 LH 0491 -LH 1490 --- --- --- 055 FRA-ZRB FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM - --- --- 400 --- ZRB-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM - --- 400 --- --- ZRB-ZRB FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM - --- 100 100 --- CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY >
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Old Sep 21, 09, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by RSWillson View Post
We are returning on a Saturday from VCE to FRA on LH4085, connecting to AC877, FRA to YYZ. The connection time is 45 minutes. We are travelling in J.
If this were connection via MUC most people would say yes. But the MCT at FRA when connecting to/from an intercontinental flight is 60 mins so this is not a legal connection. Are the two flights on a single ticket? When are you travelling? I cannot see this connection on the LH website.

Since you are coming from a Schengen country and connecting to a non-Schengen destination you will have to go through passport control, though this should not add more than a few minutes. If your incoming flight is on time you might make it but otherwise it's a little bit too tight.
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner View Post
Are the two flights on a single ticket? When are you travelling? I cannot see this connection on the LH website.
Yes, they are on a single ticket. They were booked by Aeroplan and reconfirmed by Air Canada. The reason I noticed it is that LH just changed some of the departure times by a few minutes, so I received a new copy of my itinery.

I know that AC will be responsible for a missed connection, but I don't really want the grief that accompanies that sort of problem.

I assume that since this violated the MCT at FRA I have a good case to get them to change the flight?
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Old Sep 21, 09, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by RSWillson View Post
I know that AC will be responsible for a missed connection, but I don't really want the grief that accompanies that sort of problem.

I assume that since this violated the MCT at FRA I have a good case to get them to change the flight?
I don't have much experience of flying from a Schengen country to FRA and will defer to someone with more relevant experience. If it's a longhaul -> shorthaul connection I might risk it because there are later flights, but since it's a shorthaul -> longhaul connection I would personally try and get on an earlier flight to FRA.
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Old Oct 4, 09, 3:33 pm
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Question about "Quick transfer guide" from C to A Gates

I was reading the "Quick transfer guide" under the category :
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
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Originally Posted by europe10 View Post
I was reading the "Quick transfer guide" under the category :
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
If your trip isn't until July 2010 I think it's too early to start planning the exact route to follow from your arrival gate to the departure gate of your connecting flight.

As there's a lot of construction work going on at FRA partly to comply with EU regulations and partly due to Pier A extension, things may be very different by July.

The best advice is to follow the signs. You may have to walk a long way but provided you follow the signs to your departure gate you should be fine. Whatever route you follow you will have to go through passport control and at least one security checkpoint.
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That is good advice. Could I ask one more question. Is the walk from Gate
C13 to Gate A1 all on the same level?
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I was reading the "Quick transfer guide" under the category :
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
I am doing LH492 and LH493 on a regular basis and it has different gates all the time. So the default gate for both flights is actually B26. The departure or arrival at C13 is actually an exception. If your flight is next year, then don't bother with it right now and check one day before you are flying and even that is no guarantee that the gate stays the same. It is also possible to end up with the bus arrival gate in B (default case if the flight is early).

The flight is normally on time. It sometimes arrives actually earlier. Even if it leaves later than scheduled. So far I only had once a 4 hours delay, because they had to replace the aircraft due to technical problems. With the right tailwind it is possible to do that route in 8 hours. Doesn't happen that often, but sometimes it does.

If you are flying in F and connecting to Schengen, then no matter where you arrive the best is to leave the terminal and walk to the FCT. From C13 it is the same distance and might be even faster since you avoid the stupid security non-sense (twice). From B26 it would be faster to go to A26, but the security check after passport control can take longer than walking to the FCT. So I always pick the FCT.

For your return flight, you have a couple of choices. If you are in F and the flight leaves from B26, then go to the FCL at B22. If your flight leaves from C13 then go to the FCT since the C gates only have a SEN and business lounge. If you are not in F, then the new business lounge in B is actually a good choice. If the flight leaves from C13, then go there. You have a SEN and business lounge directly at the gate.

So far I never had LH492 leaving from C13. It was always B26 or sometimes some other B gate, but never C.
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For the last few days LH493 arrivals were B23, apron position/bus gate and C16, so you can't really tell where it will end up on any given day.

I'm assuming that europe10 and family will not be arriving in F and that he/she is not a SEN or *G and therefore no lounge access. In any case unless the timetable changes between now and July it will be a fairly tight connection, so it's straight from the arrival gate to the departure gate.

To answer europe10's question the walk from C13-16 to Schengen A gates is not on the same level but there are escalators and elevators.
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Thanks to all involved. Great stuff. LH should copy and paste the essence of this thread to any email confirmation.

Then again, if one were to show this (especially the permutations involving non-Schengen, non-LH arrivals) to somebody using FRA for the first time, you could expect unbelieving looks. Instead of the three words "Follow the signs", has somebody suggested the other magic words: "Fly through MUC or ZRH"?
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Now that was very helpful. Thank you. Myself and the family will be flying econonmy and we are not a SEN and therefore have no lounge access. Sounds like we just have to be prepared for all scenarios and "follow the signs". Thanks.
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Originally Posted by awestphal View Post
Instead of the three words "Follow the signs", has somebody suggested the other magic words: "Fly through MUC or ZRH"?
Unfortunately that is not possible. YVR is only served via FRA with LH/LX/OS. Or you can do AMS with KLM or LHR with BA.
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Old Oct 5, 09, 3:39 pm
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That is good advice. Could I ask one more question. Is the walk from Gate
C13 to Gate A1 all on the same level?
You can do it on the same level if you want, it's probably the most efficient way. Just go out of security in A, walk through the CI-HALL to C and to your gate. There are a few stairs though as the A/B/old C level is lower than the new C level. And if you want to use the lounges near C13 you will have to go upstairs for the lounges.

Bus as said before a lot will change until mid-next year in FRA, and the gate assignments for flights change on an almost daily basis anyway. There's a very large changes that the Vancoucer flight arrives or depares in the B pier, and intra-Schengen flights can use all lower A gates as well as the bus gates in B.
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You can do it on the same level if you want, it's probably the most efficient way. Just go out of security in A, walk through the CI-HALL to C and to your gate. There are a few stairs though as the A/B/old C level is lower than the new C level. And if you want to use the lounges near C13 you will have to go upstairs for the lounges.
europe10 asked about a walk from C13 (which I assume is similar to C14-16) to A Schengen gates and I was thinking of the escalators you have to use to go up from the jetbridge to the arrivals concourse as well as the few stairs you mention.

This plan of the A-Plus Pier (wasn't it going to be called A0?) on the Fraport website shows how useless the Skyline train is except between D/E and B (and some part of A).
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1:05 connection Dfw-Maa

Hi:
I did a search and did not find anything exactly on point. My family and I are connecting in FRA on Sunday 12-20 with an arrival from DFW at 9:05 and a departure at 10:10 to MAA. I (we) have connected in FRA many times just not with this tight time window.
Does the fact that is a Sunday minimize the risk of a holding pattern or 2 over Fra? I fear the holding pattern and the bus gate will eat up our 1:05 pretty easily.
Any tips anyone has would be greatly appreciated, we are in J if that makes any difference but as of 2009 I am a lowly M&M base level member.
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Old Nov 3, 09, 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by MSDhoni View Post
My family and I are connecting in FRA on Sunday 12-20 with an arrival from DFW at 9:05 and a departure at 10:10 to MAA. I (we) have connected in FRA many times just not with this tight time window.
Does the fact that is a Sunday minimize the risk of a holding pattern or 2 over Fra? I fear the holding pattern and the bus gate will eat up our 1:05 pretty easily.
Any tips anyone has would be greatly appreciated, we are in J if that makes any difference but as of 2009 I am a lowly M&M base level member.
I don't know if Sunday before Christmas is any quieter at FRA than other days but LH439/LH758 seems to be the only possible connection for DFW-FRA-MAA according to the LH website. You and your family won't be the first ones to attempt this connection. Unless others have a better idea all I can suggest is the usual one to follow the signs. Since you seem to know FRA well you should be fine unless your incoming flight is very late.
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