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mwh7199 Oct 29, 2008 5:14 am

LH to take 50% share of BMI
 
As quoted from the BBC.CO.UK

"UK airline BMI is being taken over by Germany's Lufthansa.

Lufthansa, which already owns a 30% stake in BMI minus one share, is buying the 50% of the company owned by BMI chairman Sir Michael Bishop.

The deal will give Lufthansa control of more flights from London Heathrow airport than any other airline except British Airways.

The remaining 20% of BMI is currently owned by Sweden-based Scandinavian Airlines (SAS).

Lufthansa said it intends to complete the deal by 16 January. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7697261.stm

FD1971 Oct 29, 2008 6:05 am

BMI will quickly be transformed into a long-haul carrier using the LHR slots mentioned already. Makes more sense to use the scarce production capacity LHR offers for 250+ seats ( maybe even BBJ's ) going on interconti flights than an A 319 paddling over the channel to Schiphol, if it does not work, you can always lease the slots to desperate American airlines or sell to airlines from the Near East. :D

Heads up to Bishop, though, although known as the Whiner since years, he was smart enough to exit at a late, but still manageable stage.

Certainly always hard to sell your lifework.

Instead of critisizing the Wolf in Austria, he should be praised as the Austrian to look up to :confused:

Traveloguy Oct 29, 2008 6:18 am


Originally Posted by FD1971 (Post 10594822)
Instead of critisizing the Wolf in Austria, he should be praised as the Austrian to look up to :confused:

Sorry, quite lost with this statement. My understanding is that SMB comes from a British/Australian background so not sure where your comment re Austria comes in. :confused:

For M&M lurkers, you might be better off reading the BD board thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=882694

hch Oct 29, 2008 6:20 am


Originally Posted by FD1971 (Post 10594822)
BMI will quickly be transformed into a long-haul carrier using the LHR slots mentioned already. Makes more sense to use the scarce production capacity LHR offers for 250+ seats ( maybe even BBJ's ) going on interconti flights than an A 319 paddling over the channel to Schiphol, if it does not work, you can always lease the slots to desperate American airlines or sell to airlines from the Near East. :D

The LHR to USA market hasn't been a stellar success for all the new entrants. Entering the bloodbath over the north Atlantic right now with major additional capacity seems like a perfect way to lose money. Especially as LH already covers most of the US with their revenue share with United, which they will surely extend to BMI. The only really important white sport right now is New York which should be covered by CO join *A and the LH/UA joint venture next year.

</armchairceo>

hch Oct 29, 2008 6:21 am


Originally Posted by Traveloguy (Post 10594856)
Sorry, quite lost with this statement. My understanding is that SMB comes from a British/Australian background so not sure where your comment re Austria comes in. :confused:

This is a reference to the Wolf.

andre1970 Oct 29, 2008 6:33 am


The BMI announcement came as Lufthansa announced a 75% fall in net profit for the July to September period, which it blamed on higher fuel costs.
That's what caught my eye in this article.

Oh, and a lil question: Who's gonna buy OS now?

hch Oct 29, 2008 6:34 am


Originally Posted by andre1970 (Post 10594906)
That's what caught my eye in this article.

Oh, and a lil question: Who's gonna buy OS now?

LH is going to get it for free and without debt if they wait long enough..

Fredrik74 Oct 29, 2008 6:35 am

Doesn't this also mean that LH will buy out SK?

NickB Oct 29, 2008 6:46 am


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 10594910)
Doesn't this also mean that LH will buy out SK?

uhh, no. Why? LH HAS to buy BD because of the put option that SMB had when LH took a stake in BD in 1999 and which he has now exercised. There is no comparable situation for SK.

silversurfer Oct 29, 2008 6:48 am


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 10594910)
Doesn't this also mean that LH will buyout SK?

:D:D:D:D

andre1970 Oct 29, 2008 6:49 am


Originally Posted by hch (Post 10594908)
LH is going to get it for free and without debt if they wait long enough..

Still. There is a Competition Policy Directorate in the EU who dot dot dot.;)

NickB Oct 29, 2008 6:52 am


Originally Posted by hch (Post 10594870)
The LHR to USA market hasn't been a stellar success for all the new entrants. Entering the bloodbath over the north Atlantic right now with major additional capacity seems like a perfect way to lose money. Especially as LH already covers most of the US with their revenue share with United, which they will surely extend to BMI. The only really important white sport right now is New York which should be covered by CO join *A and the LH/UA joint venture next year.

</armchairceo>

True, but no new entrant had the capacity to compete effectively with the dominant players, as they could only gather the odd pair of slots or two (look at the pathetic attempts by Skyteam airlines). BD has over 10% of LHR slots, which means that LH/BD could make a much more serious competitor. That said, the timing is rather unfortunate given the current situation. But long-term, it has rather better prospects.

As far as NYC is concerned, the arguments are the same except stronger. It will be especially difficult to enter this market at this point, given the very strong dominance of BA and VS on that market. If I were them, this would NOT be where I would start from.

Rambuster Oct 29, 2008 6:53 am


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 10594910)
Doesn't this also mean that LH will buy out SK?

I would assume so. That would give LH the possibility to do whatever they want.

...asset stripping seems like one option ...

mapu Oct 29, 2008 6:54 am


Originally Posted by hch (Post 10594908)
LH is going to get it for free and without debt if they wait long enough..

hopefully ^

Fredrik74 Oct 29, 2008 6:54 am


Originally Posted by NickB (Post 10594952)
uhh, no. Why? LH HAS to buy BD because of the put option that SMB had when LH took a stake in BD in 1999 and which he has now exercised. There is no comparable situation for SK.

Why would they want to have SK as a minority owner? I'm sure you also know that SK need money. A lot of it in fact. So much that LH are considered likely to buy SK just like silversurfer hinted.


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