Ways to lose SEN status?
Apr 16, 2008, 8:51 am
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Ways to lose SEN status?
Was just thinking about all the various ways this can happen. I counted 7 reasons so far (the first seven).
- Not fly enough miles
- Become a HON
- Divorce a HON
- Not be reelected to Bundestag (the German government entity whose members are bribed with free SEN status from LH, a private company)
- Not pay the cash renewal fee of €2000
- Material cause (under M&M T&Cs, para 3) in cases where it might lead to unilateral termination of status. (This could involve selling an award, disobeying an FA's instruction, providing false information, harassment, or a host of other unnamed violations)
- - This includes being rude to M&M or staff (says Runabout) even when it's justifiable (says Grog!)
- Not being able to exploit LH AirRail to collect large amounts of miles for train rides
- Simply die (says flysurfer)
- Not repay the SEN mileage overdraft (says szg) (This one's being contested, but I'll leave it here out of respect, until we reach a consensus)
- No longer by the CEO of "XYZ" AG, given free SEN status from LH (says DownUnderFlyer)
- The abolishment of SEN status level by LH (says Kiwi Flyer)
- Dissolution of M&M (says Kiwi Flyer)
- LH going belly up (says Rambuster)
- Voluntarily rescinding your M&M membership (says Kiwi Flyer)
- Have a baby and go on parental leave (since LH has chosen to no longer support this family-friendly situation) (says DownUnderFlyer)
- Flying enough miles but crediting them to another or no program at all (says totti)
- - Includes flying on a LH private jet charter and forgetting to mention your M&M number at the time of booking! (says oliver2002)
- Flying enough miles but on award tickets (says flysurfer)
Anyone know of actual cases where Lufthansa has revoked a SEN's status for material cause? (not that it's my goal)
- Not fly enough miles
- Become a HON
- Divorce a HON
- Not be reelected to Bundestag (the German government entity whose members are bribed with free SEN status from LH, a private company)
- Not pay the cash renewal fee of €2000
- Material cause (under M&M T&Cs, para 3) in cases where it might lead to unilateral termination of status. (This could involve selling an award, disobeying an FA's instruction, providing false information, harassment, or a host of other unnamed violations)
- - This includes being rude to M&M or staff (says Runabout) even when it's justifiable (says Grog!)
- Not being able to exploit LH AirRail to collect large amounts of miles for train rides
- Simply die (says flysurfer)
- Not repay the SEN mileage overdraft (says szg) (This one's being contested, but I'll leave it here out of respect, until we reach a consensus)
- No longer by the CEO of "XYZ" AG, given free SEN status from LH (says DownUnderFlyer)
- The abolishment of SEN status level by LH (says Kiwi Flyer)
- Dissolution of M&M (says Kiwi Flyer)
- LH going belly up (says Rambuster)
- Voluntarily rescinding your M&M membership (says Kiwi Flyer)
- Have a baby and go on parental leave (since LH has chosen to no longer support this family-friendly situation) (says DownUnderFlyer)
- Flying enough miles but crediting them to another or no program at all (says totti)
- - Includes flying on a LH private jet charter and forgetting to mention your M&M number at the time of booking! (says oliver2002)
- Flying enough miles but on award tickets (says flysurfer)
Anyone know of actual cases where Lufthansa has revoked a SEN's status for material cause? (not that it's my goal)
Last edited by Grog; Apr 20, 2008 at 6:48 am
Apr 16, 2008, 9:06 am
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How to lose a BA Premier card was recently impressively demonstrated by La Campbell in Heathrow !
Last edited by Rambuster; Apr 16, 2008 at 9:15 am
Apr 16, 2008, 9:12 am
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Could unauthorized use of a SEN card be grounds for revocation? Like giving it to somebody else to use, and they get caught at the lounge. I have handled the cards before, but have never read the fine print on the back...does it say non-transferable?
Apr 16, 2008, 9:17 am
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- Not fly enough miles
- Become a HON
- Divorce a HON
- Not be reelected to Bundestag (the German government entity whose members are bribed with free SEN status from LH, a private company)
- Not pay the cash renewal fee of €2000
- Material cause (under M&M T&Cs, para 3) in cases where it might lead to unilateral termination of status. (This could involve selling an award, disobeying an FA's instruction, providing false information, harassment, or a host of other unnamed violations)
- Become a HON
- Divorce a HON
- Not be reelected to Bundestag (the German government entity whose members are bribed with free SEN status from LH, a private company)
- Not pay the cash renewal fee of €2000
- Material cause (under M&M T&Cs, para 3) in cases where it might lead to unilateral termination of status. (This could involve selling an award, disobeying an FA's instruction, providing false information, harassment, or a host of other unnamed violations)
Apr 16, 2008, 9:18 am
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Is that really true? I thought there was a special "Bundestags Card" with strong discount, but no miles. Or is the SEN Card for private use?
Apr 16, 2008, 9:25 am
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The MdB get a SEN card for official use. All miles collected while on official duty has to be used for official trips. If they want to collect and use miles for private use, a second account can be opened.
Apr 16, 2008, 12:41 pm
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Another option: You can stop being the CEO of XYZ AG who got free SEN status from LH.
Apr 16, 2008, 2:25 pm
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And thanks flysurfer...how could I have forgotten dying?!
Apr 16, 2008, 2:38 pm
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Apr 16, 2008, 5:14 pm
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