HON "enhancements" getting closer [HON bonus reduced from 50% to 25%] [merged]
Sep 10, 2007, 3:43 am
#151
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Sep 11, 2007, 8:05 am
#152
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Would not be very sensible psychologically. It means that you specifically declass the ones flying 600-749k miles. My bias would be that you lose pretty much all of them. Who could come up with an idea like that? Would make much more sense to decrease the mileage earning. Give out more miles for C rather Z (or same for C less for Z for the sake of the excersize) would be my first approach. Would mean that I shift significant business away from LH and be happy with the SEN, but would at least save you the ones collecting 600k status miles on full flex C.
Sep 11, 2007, 8:10 am
#153
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Would not be very sensible psychologically. It means that you specifically declass the ones flying 600-749k miles. My bias would be that you lose pretty much all of them. Who could come up with an idea like that? Would make much more sense to decrease the mileage earning. Give out more miles for C rather Z (or same for C less for Z for the sake of the excersize) would be my first approach. Would mean that I shift significant business away from LH and be happy with the SEN, but would at least save you the ones collecting 600k status miles on full flex C.
Having said that, anyone has an idea how much of Business class travel is on Z fares vs. C or D?
Sep 11, 2007, 10:36 am
#154
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This would bring to the discussion differential prices from differential origins...
Ex ATH or CAI or whatever C/D may be much less expensive than Z from Germany. Thus, I think earning by class flown is generally ok and fair.
Ex ATH or CAI or whatever C/D may be much less expensive than Z from Germany. Thus, I think earning by class flown is generally ok and fair.
Sep 11, 2007, 12:07 pm
#155
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The price discrimination between countries in my opinion is a different story. I consider it to be fair and just but would consider it off topic here. Plus nothing prevents LH to change those fares into f.e. Z fares if they feel too many HONs are being generated by that.
Sep 11, 2007, 12:49 pm
#156
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Lowering mileage earning levels (again!) would piss off EVERYBODY: HONs, SENs, FTLs and GMs.
We already have mileage inflation with the ever increasing taxes (and an expected rise in award levels with the next round of enhancemenats).
At the same time, it becomes increasingly cheaper to earn miles by NOT flying. That gap can't widen too much.
Hence, LH can't simply reduce mileage earning levels. It would rather require a complete restructuring of the program with a different amount of status and award miles earned for a flight, similar to U.S programs that award less status miles but are generous with extra bonus miles for their elites.
But hey, maybe that's what LH is planning: Converting M&M into Mileage Plus, just without upgrades and vouchers.
We already have mileage inflation with the ever increasing taxes (and an expected rise in award levels with the next round of enhancemenats).
At the same time, it becomes increasingly cheaper to earn miles by NOT flying. That gap can't widen too much.
Hence, LH can't simply reduce mileage earning levels. It would rather require a complete restructuring of the program with a different amount of status and award miles earned for a flight, similar to U.S programs that award less status miles but are generous with extra bonus miles for their elites.
But hey, maybe that's what LH is planning: Converting M&M into Mileage Plus, just without upgrades and vouchers.
Sep 11, 2007, 1:21 pm
#157
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Lowering mileage earning levels (again!) would piss off EVERYBODY: HONs, SENs, FTLs and GMs.
We already have mileage inflation with the ever increasing taxes (and an expected rise in award levels with the next round of enhancemenats).
At the same time, it becomes increasingly cheaper to earn miles by NOT flying. That gap can't widen too much.
We already have mileage inflation with the ever increasing taxes (and an expected rise in award levels with the next round of enhancemenats).
At the same time, it becomes increasingly cheaper to earn miles by NOT flying. That gap can't widen too much.
Hence, LH can't simply reduce mileage earning levels. It would rather require a complete restructuring of the program with a different amount of status and award miles earned for a flight, similar to U.S programs that award less status miles but are generous with extra bonus miles for their elites.
But hey, maybe that's what LH is planning: Converting M&M into Mileage Plus, just without upgrades and vouchers.
But hey, maybe that's what LH is planning: Converting M&M into Mileage Plus, just without upgrades and vouchers.
Sep 11, 2007, 1:34 pm
#158
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I fear SQ PPS is the better role model. I think a lot of airlines are watching the SQ experiment very closely right now and will take action as soon as they judge it successful. I am convinced the outcome of that study will strongly influence any future decisions of LH regarding the HON program.
Sep 11, 2007, 3:03 pm
#159
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Just participated a survey today in the FCT. During the questions it looked like they really anticipate us HONs telling, that there are too many people in the FCT. Well, I didn't play that game and told, that I always got a seat so far and have nothing to complain about the FCT size and people in there.
Made some recommendations for program improvements, but didn't tell any snobbish thing like, want exclusive limo transfer to the plane.
Hey, later I got transferred with 3 other F pax in the Van for a A330 boarding in Neu-Isenburg/Offenbach. Totally fine with me and saves some amount of carbon dioxide emmision on that long tour.
Made some recommendations for program improvements, but didn't tell any snobbish thing like, want exclusive limo transfer to the plane.
Hey, later I got transferred with 3 other F pax in the Van for a A330 boarding in Neu-Isenburg/Offenbach. Totally fine with me and saves some amount of carbon dioxide emmision on that long tour.
Sep 12, 2007, 5:36 am
#160
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[...] From that point of view I would rather recommend leaving the threshold and lowering the earning. In what way ever. Lowering the earning for Z is just what comes to mind first. You pay less, get same service, you should get less miles. Same as in economy. There you don't earn according to class either, but based on what you pay. [...]
Sep 12, 2007, 6:15 am
#161
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Lowering mileage earning levels (again!) would piss off EVERYBODY: HONs, SENs, FTLs and GMs.
We already have mileage inflation with the ever increasing taxes (and an expected rise in award levels with the next round of enhancemenats).
At the same time, it becomes increasingly cheaper to earn miles by NOT flying. That gap can't widen too much.
Hence, LH can't simply reduce mileage earning levels. It would rather require a complete restructuring of the program with a different amount of status and award miles earned for a flight, similar to U.S programs that award less status miles but are generous with extra bonus miles for their elites.
But hey, maybe that's what LH is planning: Converting M&M into Mileage Plus, just without upgrades and vouchers.
We already have mileage inflation with the ever increasing taxes (and an expected rise in award levels with the next round of enhancemenats).
At the same time, it becomes increasingly cheaper to earn miles by NOT flying. That gap can't widen too much.
Hence, LH can't simply reduce mileage earning levels. It would rather require a complete restructuring of the program with a different amount of status and award miles earned for a flight, similar to U.S programs that award less status miles but are generous with extra bonus miles for their elites.
But hey, maybe that's what LH is planning: Converting M&M into Mileage Plus, just without upgrades and vouchers.
Sep 12, 2007, 7:55 am
#162
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aha, status points linked to a real good...
the gummybearstandard to keep the value stable...Thomas Gottschalk (probably HON) would be delighted.
the gummybearstandard to keep the value stable...Thomas Gottschalk (probably HON) would be delighted.
Sep 12, 2007, 8:10 am
#163
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Sep 12, 2007, 11:50 am
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