SEN and SEN+
Apr 30, 2007, 3:13 pm
#211
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Apr 30, 2007, 4:51 pm
#212
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What's a GSC?
Sounds like next generation mobile phone
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The lifetime miles are for awarding the lifetime SEN status.
Yes sure. The importance is GM<FTL<SEN<HON<VIP<WOLF.
There is no mystical subdivision of the levels in terms of importance.
From my own experience, GAs @LH have 10 times the empowerment UA's GAs do have. They can hold seats and upgrades and have much less to justify than the latter. I experienced that shuffling of ug space on LH several times myself.
While that would make sense, it does not always happen this way. Even I as a lowly SEN got dragged to the front from I to F over all the paying folks.
I stand with my prejudice: there is no hard evidence that there is a system that classifies importance other than the elite levels.
Sounds like next generation mobile phone
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The true pecking order factors class flown into the decision on how important you are for this flight.
There is no mystical subdivision of the levels in terms of importance.
From my own experience, GAs @LH have 10 times the empowerment UA's GAs do have. They can hold seats and upgrades and have much less to justify than the latter. I experienced that shuffling of ug space on LH several times myself.
I stand with my prejudice: there is no hard evidence that there is a system that classifies importance other than the elite levels.
Apr 30, 2007, 6:34 pm
#213
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Cheers, S
Apr 30, 2007, 7:00 pm
#214
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yep
What's a GSC?
Sounds like next generation mobile phone .
The lifetime miles are for awarding the lifetime SEN status.
Yes sure. The importance is GM<FTL<SEN<HON<VIP<WOLF.
There is no mystical subdivision of the levels in terms of importance.
From my own experience, GAs @LH have 10 times the empowerment UA's GAs do have. They can hold seats and upgrades and have much less to justify than the latter. I experienced that shuffling of ug space on LH several times myself.
While that would make sense, it does not always happen this way. Even I as a lowly SEN got dragged to the front from I to F over all the paying folks.
I stand with my prejudice: there is no hard evidence that there is a system that classifies importance other than the elite levels.
Sounds like next generation mobile phone
.The lifetime miles are for awarding the lifetime SEN status.
Yes sure. The importance is GM<FTL<SEN<HON<VIP<WOLF.
There is no mystical subdivision of the levels in terms of importance.
From my own experience, GAs @LH have 10 times the empowerment UA's GAs do have. They can hold seats and upgrades and have much less to justify than the latter. I experienced that shuffling of ug space on LH several times myself.
While that would make sense, it does not always happen this way. Even I as a lowly SEN got dragged to the front from I to F over all the paying folks.
I stand with my prejudice: there is no hard evidence that there is a system that classifies importance other than the elite levels.
and i met one HON who still has 50evouchers left and he gets never to use them as he gets upgraded 90% of the time ..... (well life is not fair )
dp
Apr 30, 2007, 9:47 pm
#215
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There are no rules. It's in the flight managers sole discretion who is moving up.
May 1, 2007, 1:22 am
#216
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I am pretty confident - LH is not tracking your lifetime miles flown just for nothing... The true pecking order factors class flown into the decision on how important you are for this flight - we need an insider to confirm which order is correct.
I believe it is Status-Class Flown-Lifetime miles. But it also could be Status-Class-Lifetime miles-Class Flown.
I believe it is Status-Class Flown-Lifetime miles. But it also could be Status-Class-Lifetime miles-Class Flown.
In former times LH used to have the order Class Flown-Status but they changed their attitude in favour of their frequent flyers. The only exception from this are award tickets, but a SEN in B would get the upgrade to C before the GM in Y nowadays. Which is good news for all SEN who feel they have been set back by the introduction of HON... :-)
May 1, 2007, 5:08 am
#217
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In former times LH used to have the order Class Flown-Status but they changed their attitude in favour of their frequent flyers. The only exception from this are award tickets, but a SEN in B would get the upgrade to C before the GM in Y nowadays. Which is good news for all SEN who feel they have been set back by the introduction of HON... :-)
May 1, 2007, 5:08 am
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Very much what I was told by flight managers in BKK, FRA, and SIN. They make a strategic decision based on the measly bits of information they have.
What they can see is definitely: pax status, logged lifetime miles, fare base and ticket stock. The FM in BKK told me a few times that they favour travelers who purchased the tix on their own (from TA or LH office) as they regard these as loyal LH travelers. But that's a single person's take and does not outline company policy.
May 1, 2007, 5:50 am
#220
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May 30, 2007, 12:01 pm
#221
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So update on SEN+ myth or not ....
I just came back from a super short trip to Germany....
I had a few highlights but here is the bottom line:
I sat in the jump seat for the flight TXL-FRA (long story) and I had a chance to study the manifest:
Important passangers
1 HON
SPACE
18 SEN
Full manifest by seat order
SEN+
SEN+
SEN+
SEN
HON+
SEN+
SEN
SEN+
etc..
I point this out to the purser sitting next to me, asking if she knew the significance of the +
Without hesitation she said
SEN who fly significantly more than the qualifying miles...
I pointed out the HON+
she said she had never seen that though..and asked how many I had flown (645K last year). And she said then I was flying significantly more.
SO bottom line..
333 you are right ( I apologize) the + means more miles on average !
I had a few highlights but here is the bottom line:
I sat in the jump seat for the flight TXL-FRA (long story) and I had a chance to study the manifest:
Important passangers
1 HON
SPACE
18 SEN
Full manifest by seat order
SEN+
SEN+
SEN+
SEN
HON+
SEN+
SEN
SEN+
etc..
I point this out to the purser sitting next to me, asking if she knew the significance of the +
Without hesitation she said
SEN who fly significantly more than the qualifying miles...
I pointed out the HON+
she said she had never seen that though..and asked how many I had flown (645K last year). And she said then I was flying significantly more.
SO bottom line..
333 you are right ( I apologize) the + means more miles on average !
May 30, 2007, 3:28 pm
#222
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May 30, 2007, 3:59 pm
#223
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I doubt that
i requalified the last 3 times with just a few miles over.
But I am always SEN+ on manifest
( independantly of having or not having connection, special request etc etc)
i requalified the last 3 times with just a few miles over.
But I am always SEN+ on manifest
( independantly of having or not having connection, special request etc etc)
I point this out to the purser sitting next to me, asking if she knew the significance of the +
Without hesitation she said
SEN who fly significantly more than the qualifying miles...
I pointed out the HON+
she said she had never seen that though..and asked how many I had flown (645K last year). And she said then I was flying significantly more.
SO bottom line..
333 you are right ( I apologize) the + means more miles on average !
Without hesitation she said
SEN who fly significantly more than the qualifying miles...
I pointed out the HON+
she said she had never seen that though..and asked how many I had flown (645K last year). And she said then I was flying significantly more.
SO bottom line..
333 you are right ( I apologize) the + means more miles on average !
May 30, 2007, 5:44 pm
#224
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well, I had the following:
2005 130k
2006 210k
2007 ytd 140k
I'd personally call that more than the average SEN and am not listed as SEN+, especially if they look at the last 12 (about 22k/month) / 18(19k/month) / 24 (16k/month) months.
2005 130k
2006 210k
2007 ytd 140k
I'd personally call that more than the average SEN and am not listed as SEN+, especially if they look at the last 12 (about 22k/month) / 18(19k/month) / 24 (16k/month) months.
May 30, 2007, 10:29 pm
#225
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The other day, I went bowling with a MUC based LH crew having their layover in LAX, and the very senior purser had no clue about SEN+.
YMMV.
YMMV.