New "improvements" of M&M 1 April 2006
#123
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Originally Posted by Fly-Swiss
...I have to say... have you ever tried LX or SQ.... that is a real IFE... not just like LH's main screen (one for all). When are they going to upgrade their planes?...
Have you ever tried LX on regional C-Class in flights in Europe. Well, LX eg. from Duesseldorf to Warsaw via ZRH is cheap compared to the direct LH fligt but they fly with silly little planes and there is no real difference between Eco and C (but the mileage...). So there are ups and downs everywhere...
#124
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
LH has AVOD and wireless Connexion broadband Internet access in C and F...
As for LH longhaul Y: It's terrible, we all know it's terrible, we all keep repeating it's terrible, and we keep suggesting to everybody that it's to be avoided...
As for LH longhaul Y: It's terrible, we all know it's terrible, we all keep repeating it's terrible, and we keep suggesting to everybody that it's to be avoided...
#125
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Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
Have you ever tried LX on regional C-Class in flights in Europe. Well, LX eg. from Duesseldorf to Warsaw via ZRH is cheap compared to the direct LH fligt but they fly with silly little planes and there is no real difference between Eco and C (but the mileage...). So there are ups and downs everywhere...
#126
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The Frequent Flyer Program is at the very bottom of the evaluation proces?
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
Have you ever tried LX on regional C-Class in flights in Europe. Well, LX eg. from Duesseldorf to Warsaw via ZRH is cheap compared to the direct LH fligt but they fly with silly little planes and there is no real difference between Eco and C (but the mileage...). So there are ups and downs everywhere...
Again: I could not agree more. I ask the overall value an airline gives me and the FFP is at the very bottom of my personal evaluation. - Network in-Europe and ex-Germany - Reliability - Seats (in F) on long distance - Partner Airlines - On board and ground service - FFP
By the way: Why do people fly business class if there is no difference to economy? Doesn't make sense to me - unless it is for the mileage. But as we know, the FFP is at the very bottom for some of us.
Last edited by Hans Dampf; Jan 4, 2006 at 2:49 am
#127
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Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
By the way: Why do people fly business class if there is no difference to economy? Doesn't make sense to me - unless it is for the mileage. But as we know, the FFP is at the very bottom for some of us.
About the product, I think it is better on a A320 or 737 but I wouldn't pay for it "myself" if it wasn't for an "urgent" need of Status miles
#128
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Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
Och, och, och... Nevertheless how bad L-L (former M&M) is, there are always people attacking others who show the negative points. I wonder how many undercover LH agents we have in the forum
Others can not do anything else than constantly complain about everything and anything.
What is negative for you might not be negative for others.
And that seems to be something you have difficult to accept - anybody who is not wining constantly is a undercover LH agent / employee or any other description that you have used in the past to insult thosewho do not share your opinion.
If it is all that bad - why not walk away - or did the job in Japan not work out for you ? At least there you would not need M&M.
Cheers
Thomas
#129
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Originally Posted by Grog
First, HNY, all. I just got off of a USAir PHL-FRA flight in Y. A330. Very enjoyable, too; solid service for eco. And AVOD IFE at every Y seat--I can't even remember how many movies we were able to choose from. Why anyone would choose LH Y transatlantic, I just can't understand. With M&M, just as with LH Y, the market deserves what it gets.
Cheers, Stefan
#130
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Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
By the way: Why do people fly business class if there is no difference to economy? Doesn't make sense to me - unless it is for the mileage. But as we know, the FFP is at the very bottom for some of us.
So the only reason is, that it is a little more relaxed, food is a little better and what counts most to me, you can just arrive 15 min before takeoff and will still be on your plain
#131
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Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
Och, och, och... The main point seems to be the mileage accrual. Well, this comment is completely opposite to what you said in posting #110, isn't it? Didn't you say there that the FFP is on the very bottom? :
Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
Och, och, och... Nevertheless how bad L-L (former M&M) is, there are always people attacking others who show the negative points. I wonder how many undercover LH agents we have in the forum
I fully appreciate that LH tries to bump the "SEN-lights" (40 legs on strange US mileage runs in so-called domestic US or US First Class or 60 intra German domestic returns in E) out of the lounges. I would do it no different. The airline earns approx. 20 Euro (excl. taxes and VAT) on an E class domestic ticket. If all these customers get status, then status is no longer status but a giveaway and it will only displease customers paying real money for airline services.
Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
By the way: Why do people fly business class if there is no difference to economy? Doesn't make sense to me - unless it is for the mileage. But as we know, the FFP is at the very bottom for some of us.
Cheers
T.
Last edited by Flying Lawyer; Jan 4, 2006 at 4:35 am
#132
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I totally agree with you Flying Lawyer ^ Just forgotten to mention the advantage of flexibility in C in my post above. for me it's that naturally and also that important, that I just not thought about it...
#133
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Originally Posted by DFW-SEN
Its a long time since my last longhaul flight in Y, but in November I "enjoyed" US Air in their Envoy class from LGW to CLT...
about M&L and LH originate: the gap between LH Y and LH C (on transatlantic
routes now only) is huge. Judging LH from the SQ angle flat seat, this
is better than old NZ and TG First.
And in Y, everything on LH is miserable. Except that the cabin is clean, I give
them that.
That includes mileage accrual which is great for anything above Z (actually
ok for anything above B since the changes) and ridiculous for basic Economy.
I can hence understand why true elite flyers such as DFW-SEN or tcswede
show some affection for LH.
Originally Posted by totti
..So the only reason is, that it is a little more relaxed, food is a little better and what counts most to me, you can just arrive 15 min before takeoff and will still be on your plain
soooooo well.
But I have to confess that I am quite fond of the intra-Europe C service,
even though they always refused to give me two cakes so far...
#134
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Originally Posted by weero
...even though they always refused to give me two cakes so far...
#135
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Originally Posted by weero
What a beautiful Freudian . And it describes the LH domestic C cabin
soooooo well.
But I have to confess that I am quite fond of the intra-Europe C service,
even though they always refused to give me two cakes so far...
soooooo well.
But I have to confess that I am quite fond of the intra-Europe C service,
even though they always refused to give me two cakes so far...