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flysurfer Dec 31, 05 2:16 am


Originally Posted by weero
But yes I envy US residents for their opportunities to collect miles for all
kind of reasons. Even if that means that you hand your savings to such
dubious institutions as banks...

Uh....no. Most of my M&M miles are from not flying. And I don't deal with banks regarding mileage. Only credit cards. But until very recently, I wasn't even able to get such a card in the U.S.

flysurfer Dec 31, 05 2:18 am


Originally Posted by andre1970
I guess this was the definitive answer to his "Dr. Weero and Mr. Hyde"!

Forget FlyerTalk.
This is becoming FlyerStalk!
Maybe I should mail him an autograph? :D

At least, they don't call me Mr. Pillows. Yet.

flysurfer Dec 31, 05 2:27 am


Originally Posted by weero
It was a mere compliment, no offense mate.

"No worries, mate." I know. Famous last words down under.


Originally Posted by weero
And I also decided to pay deference to you by increasing the font size...

Now that's really scary.


Originally Posted by weero
Nah - it was fate. The eternal battle against Mayrhuber and his minions created that constellation.

Dude, there's no way you can pwn the Wolf.

But you could design a "M&L video game"


Originally Posted by weero
Episode 7, "The Revenge of Crackers" premieres hereby.

George is gonna sue ya.


Originally Posted by weero
This starts to sound interesting: so it is not are pure derivative which you are using?

Pure derivate. But no cap. Germany has an immense certificate market. Really great.


Originally Posted by weero
"you are swapping one addiction for another".

I know, I have been there. And boy, was it expensive...

FLYGVA Dec 31, 05 2:52 am


Originally Posted by Rudi
I am not effected by the drop of segment counts.

But I have difficulties to understand, how miles&more does announce such a drop per april-1st and not per january-1st.

If you don't already requalify in just the first three months (jan-1 through march-31 2006), that change is in fact already valid per start of 2006.

I agree with you Rudi. But looking back, the most changes were announced in the middle of the year, though they were not as important as the drop of the segments. From my point of view, they decided to do this at this time, as then LX TC and M&M get together.

All segments earned up to 1st April got lost, so if you only have 39 segments, you are just out of luck. If you have earned 40 or even 120 segments, you got the status (again).

Jan

weero Dec 31, 05 3:06 am

Will behave flysurfer, no more font manipulation


Originally Posted by flysurfer
Uh....no. Most of my M&M miles are from not flying. And I don't deal with banks regarding mileage. Only credit cards. But until very recently, I wasn't even able to get such a card in the U.S...

Still can't follow you: large amount of miles from not flying normally one
would get from investments such as funds or mortgages. How do you
avoid banks or bank-like institutions here?


"No worries, mate." I know. Famous last words down under.
In really dangerous situations, you are supposed to append a "she'll be
right mate" - such as when the ship starts to capsize or wing comes of
a plane..
[the battle of Mayrhuber]

Dude, there's no way you can pwn the Wolf.
The interesting part got lost in translation. I can now freely phanatsise what
pwn could stand for?
prawn, pawn, Professional Women's Network?
And is the "Wolf" you or a friendly moniker for W.Mayrhuber :) ?

But you could design a "M&L video game"
Great idea - with your miles going down the drain while you do not manage
to zap the evil W.M. (wicked monster, no other allusions intended}
and free the beautiful princess LH.
Focus online has some pictures of the monster which we could integrate
into the game...

Pure derivate. But no cap. Germany has an immense certificate market. Really great.
I know - and no capitals gain tax if hold on to the stuff for a year or more.
[surrogate addictions]

..I know, I have been there. And boy, was it expensive...
You are right. It might be cheaper and more satisfying to return to my bride
LH instead of maintaining real-life relationships :) .

weero Dec 31, 05 3:09 am


Originally Posted by andre1970
I guess this was the definitive answer to his "Dr. Weero and Mr. Hyde"!

How did you guys know? I am indeed a Dr. weero.
But I was a bit in Hyde mode recently .. as always when LH announces changes.

flysurfer Dec 31, 05 3:43 am


Originally Posted by weero
Still can't follow you: large amount of miles from not flying normally one would get from investments such as funds or mortgages. How do you avoid banks or bank-like institutions here?

Now what kind of fan/stalker are you, not reading all my posts? This has been answered many times on FT. I suggest you do a search. :p


Originally Posted by weero
The interesting part got lost in translation.

Nah, it's an English expression. So another search would have helped. ;) Like http://www.answers.com/topic/pwn


Originally Posted by weero
Great idea - with your miles going down the drain while you do not manage to zap the evil W.M. (wicked monster, no other allusions intended} and free the beautiful princess LH.

Yep, that's what I had in mind.


Originally Posted by weero
Focus online has some pictures of the monster which we could integrate into the game...

Oh please, I used to work for this outfit once upon a time...


Originally Posted by weero
I know - and no capitals gain tax if hold on to the stuff for a year or more.

Exactly. Only 4 more months...:)


Originally Posted by weero
You are right. It might be cheaper and more satisfying to return to my bride LH instead of maintaining real-life relationships :) .

^ Return your bride and return to your bride LH. :D

Reality is highly overrated, anyway.

totti Dec 31, 05 5:00 am


Originally Posted by Rambuster
This could be a boost for prioritypass!

I don't think so, as far as it is useless in FRA, too. In fact you can use AA AC but it is landside and you almost 20 min. to get to your gate. If you have somewhat 30+ in T1A you'll even need more time.

So if someone is interessted in loungeexcess I'd better stay with RCC as far as you can also use FLT-lounge and till now you can also bring a guest - but they'll cut it for sure.

roundtheworld Dec 31, 05 5:26 am

For me being one of the US based HON cirlce members it is not fun that UA will no longer count for qualifying... NOt that I love flying UA (I actually hate it) but depending on the routing I have to ...

In the end I think it is only fair, even though LH has a revenue sharing agreement with UA, they needed to curb the MR practice... though to be fair, if they offer revenue sharing code shares they should count. (However, UA only counts 016 tickets AND UA metal for UGS).

I am actually quite happy with the changes... I might fall back to SEN status, one day, and then I would appreciate a higher level of service. Unfortunatley it means kicking out some SEN / FTL....

I am always astonished about the .....ing on the changes in the progrm. Everyone is complaining about crowded lounges, decreasing service, difficult award situation etc...

Now LH is doing something (and extending lounges is not possible as airport space is limited and LH does not own FRA or MUC), and it is the wrong thing.

I think it would help to go back and think what you want from a FFP...

Status privileges (wich automatically means it is elite and not all can have it)
and Awards. For me the awards situation is most important. I uses them of my summer and to fly family and friends. I know others use them for upgrades, but I am not into that... (well mostly paid F anyways).

On the award side LH has a good balance. Again I can copare it best with UA, where oyu basically can always get an ward, but what do you get? A completely diluted F product, bcs 90% of hte passengers up there are non-rev (meaning upgraded) F and the same is in C. So far I always got the award I wanted (sometimes within a 2 day range - sometimes not F on routes that are extremly busy in paid F)... but I really can't complain.

theo nly thing I think LH should change is closing the silly call center in Cape Town, as they are completley in competent.. yes I got them, too one day... But I usually use only one specific Miles and More agent. I have her email address, and I make sure that she is recognized by management for her work (she was one of the few that survived the NYC call center closing and is now a HON agent..).

So to sum it up, I hate losing the UA miles for the HON staus, but I probably will have enough anyway ( and for that I even would consider a mileage run ;)

Cheer up folks any reform has loosers, so hope you are a winner of it..

On this Happy New Year and good luck with the requalifications ...

wunalaqf Dec 31, 05 6:35 am

First of all, let me thank all of you for this great forum!

Besides the m&m improvements regarding status, I realized that they also improved (=cancelled) the reference bonus for the m&m credit card gold (10.000 miles). At least since yesterday I can’t find the link any more and they also updated the application form.

As I wanted to refer three of my colleagues within the next days, I wonder if anyone of you still knows a link that is still working or has the old form as pdf?

Many thanks for your help!

rorschi Dec 31, 05 8:03 am


Originally Posted by Rambuster
Perhaps LH could scap lounge access alltogether and hand out a certain amount of access vouchers per year. Perhaps 2 lounge vouchers after re-qualifying for SEN. This would bring it in line with the eVouchers. :D

No, Rambuster, not in line with the evouchers, but instead of them...

For me, the lack of an eVoucher every 50K miles and the lack of space in the SEN-Lounges are a reason for not caring anymore for SEN.
And as a "commuter" ZRH-MUC I'm the big looser anyway ;) - so I hope a competitor as Air Berlin, dba or Helvetic will fly this line soon. If I have no convenient advantages with my "main carrier", I choose the cheapest. This could be my futur strategy : Don't care for the colour of the card - save money...

@Rudi: It's absolutely possible being FTL until March 31st, with 40 Segments, but only 10'000miles...

Patrick

weero Dec 31, 05 9:40 am


Originally Posted by roundtheworld
..I am actually quite happy with the changes... I might fall back to SEN status, one day, and then I would appreciate a higher level of service. Unfortunatley it means kicking out some SEN / FTL..

Lowering the mileage requirements for SENs and FTLs is definitely helping
to cull the number of elites .. no doubt ..
..

I am always astonished about the .....ing on the changes in the progrm. Everyone is complaining about crowded lounges, decreasing service, difficult award situation etc...
No we love. Everything - the crowded lounges and the killing of our
benefits. It gives us masochistic pleasures.

Why does LH not solve the crowded lounges with the same approach as they
solve the space issue in their Y cabin. The must be a way to herd all the SENs
much closer together than they are now.
Wenn they get the new intra Europe seats with 28" spacing, they could use
the old ones for the SEN lounges. That should quintuple the number of
SENs held in those lounges.
Of course that is just a customer focused move as they now get anatomically
shaped seats rather than unhealthy, fluffy couches.

weero Dec 31, 05 9:49 am

Ave flysurfer moritura milia ti salutamus

Originally Posted by flysurfer
Now what kind of fan/stalker are you, not reading all my posts? This has been answered many times on FT..

I read all your posts religiously, oh master.
But I still think that the issue is unanswered. Even though you mentioned
your Germany investment 'tricks' a few times. But the US ones are
entirely unknown to me :eek:.
[pwn]

Nah, it's an English expression. So another search would have helped.
English ... yes.
I kill my friends and colleagues in games regularly and never came across this :( .

Return your bride and return to your bride LH. :D
No bigamy for weero anymore then.
Give me another 6 months so I see if gf or M&L worsens more rapidly...

But I agree that reality, especially emotional reality is badly overrated these
days.

totti Dec 31, 05 11:35 am


Originally Posted by weero
Why does LH not solve the crowded lounges with the same approach as they
solve the space issue in their Y cabin. The must be a way to herd all the SENs
much closer together than they are now.
Wenn they get the new intra Europe seats with 28" spacing, they could use
the old ones for the SEN lounges. That should quintuple the number of
SENs held in those lounges.
Of course that is just a customer focused move as they now get anatomically
shaped seats rather than unhealthy, fluffy couches.

I like this idea. So we'll get much closer and knowing each other much better... :rolleyes:

But, for sure LH had to do somethink. I just doubt this is the right way.

flysurfer Dec 31, 05 11:46 am


Originally Posted by totti
I like this idea. So we'll get much closer and knowing each other much better...

Gosh. I think I know weero well enough already.


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