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flysurfer Dec 31, 05 7:37 pm


Originally Posted by pecki
I looked up in my milage acount and lufthansa set back the status miles but they didnt set back the status flights!!

Status flight rollover into 2006? That would be pretty fair.

Checking my account, nothing is reset, yet. So I'd wait a few days to be certain it's not just another LH computer glitch.

FLYGVA Jan 1, 06 2:48 am


Originally Posted by flysurfer
Status flight rollover into 2006? That would be pretty fair.

Checking my account, nothing is reset, yet. So I'd wait a few days to be certain it's not just another LH computer glitch.

In my account, EQS and EQM are set two 0, LH updates the account only once a day (at app. between 2.00 and 3.00 a.m.)

Best wishes and a "Happy New Year"

Jan

totti Jan 1, 06 5:58 am


Originally Posted by pecki
I looked up in my milage acount and lufthansa set back the status miles but they didnt set back the status flights!!
At the bottom i can that i need 50000miles to become FTL and 23 Flights in Eco!!
Maybe Lufthansa is so kind to let us collect status flights more than a year so 16 months. Its for maybe for those who just get their status with flights and not with miles!!

Just checkt my mm account and both EQM and EQS are set back to 0. But if you didn't accomplish your 40 EQS a year you won't do 23 in three month, anyway.


Originally Posted by andre1970
I love this thread! So, I'd like to wish a happy new year to everybody in this forum via this thread!
More miles and less enhancements!
Cheers,
A.

yeah, like it, too. Best wishes and a "Happy New Year"
T

LonLH Jan 1, 06 9:50 am


Originally Posted by Torsten71
New improvements coming as of April 1st 2006
http://www.miles-and-more.com/online...nodeid=1556541

Cheers,
Torsten

Missed this post about "improvements" since I am on vacation.
Bye bye to HON as flysurfer says- while I am clocking 400-500 LH/UA/AC status miles with an additional twice weekly commute to IAH from LON, without HON miles for flying UA I will never make HON, as my LH miles are only around 250K- 300K per year. Now that my wife is based in the US, most of the LH European short haul vacation flights will disappear.
The rest of the "improvements" are not material- so long as they do not tinker with number of miles needed for award travel.

LonLH Jan 1, 06 10:13 am


Originally Posted by totti
Just checkt my mm account and both EQM and EQS are set back to 0. But if you didn't accomplish your 40 EQS a year you won't do 23 in three month, anyway.



yeah, like it, too. Best wishes and a "Happy New Year"
T

My account also shows 0 status miles and 0 status flights.
happy new year to all you folks from EZE.

OliverLHfan Jan 1, 06 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by wunalaqf
Besides the m&m improvements regarding status, I realized that they also improved (=cancelled) the reference bonus for the m&m credit card gold (10.000 miles). At least since yesterday I can’t find the link any more and they also updated the application form.

http://www.miles-and-more.com/online...&nodeid=490631

It is the german homepage and there are still 10000 miles bonus for the gold card.

Greetings, Oliver

flyin´ruddl Jan 1, 06 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by LonLH
My account also shows 0 status miles and 0 status flights.
happy new year to all you folks from EZE.

Same here at an UA guy... it´s a shame to see all those zeros... :( :(

Nevertheless wishing you a HNY! :)

F.R.

Kiwi Flyer Jan 2, 06 2:26 am

No zeroes for me ;)

Michael Tantini Jan 2, 06 5:48 am


Originally Posted by Hamburger
The question is: With my flying pattern (mostly inner german and some european discounted Eco tickets, T, L, W, ...) is there any program that will enable me to gain status in the future.

Maybe KLM or CSA? They still give you miles for the cheapest economy tickets...

totti Jan 2, 06 6:25 am


Originally Posted by Michael Tantini
Maybe KLM or CSA? They still give you miles for the cheapest economy tickets...

KL and OK won't help for flying intra-german. And I think to earn miles is not Hamburgers as you'll get them with M&M, too (even in T,L,E). With AF/KL FB you'll earn 187 miles flying cheap N-fare, so that's not really so much more than M&M's 125.

UA 882 Jan 2, 06 12:30 pm

I'm sorry for bumping this thread, but I just went on the Asiana website and saw that they were implementing some changes to their mileage program, and this is what they wrote:


As a benefit to all members, there will be a grace period of 24 months, until 31 March 2008. During this time, you can choose to use either the old or new mileage redemption chart to redeem your free tickets and upgrades.
I'm speechless.

I know it has nothing to do with LH - but I wanted to give an example of what LH should be aiming for :D

bau31888 Jan 2, 06 12:53 pm

That's not fair to compare these "changes"...

Asianas changes are no "enhancements" in the LH-meaning. Some awards are getting cheaper and some more expensive.

However, I agree with you, M&M should adapt this behaviour (both: real enhancements and better communication) ... however, it's always good to have some dreams in your life :D

flysurfer Jan 2, 06 12:59 pm

But if Asiana's FFP is indeed so much more customer oriented than M&M, why aren't we all members there, collecting miles with it?

We are either stupid, or Asiana's FFP isn't really that generous (and customer oriented) regarding flights on their *A partners.

I'm going to find out now.

bau31888 Jan 2, 06 1:13 pm

Ok flysurfer, please tell me, if I have to change my program :D

Anyway, I feel good with LH and MM (esp as I'm flying only the booking classes Z and B), however, sometime they could be better!

flysurfer Jan 2, 06 1:17 pm

OK, I'm back. Looks like it's pretty good. Only 40,000 miles in 36 months (!) to renew *G status (100,000 to get it, valid 3 years), and there's mileage pooling between up to 5 family members. Awards seem to be a little bit more expensive than on M&M. There's a COS bonus of 150% on F and 125% on C (status and award miles, methinks). Don't know if this also applys to all *A metal. The membership guide isn't available for download, at least I could not locate it. Their U.S. website isn't really that informative.

Michael Tantini Jan 2, 06 1:22 pm

Keep cool boyz and girlies! UA only wanted to show you some advantages that other FFPs have.

Indeed, there are some interesting points in the Asiana program. But there are also some drawbacks.
- Lounges can only be used when flying *.
- Eurpean awards in Y cost 35k.
- Awards cannot be transfered (= one cannot issue awards for others?).

For me, it is no longer the question wheter LH is worse than other or wheter it is the worst, for me it is rather the question is is wort obtaining the status? Why would we do MRs? What do we expect from the status? To be honest, I guess I must admit that the SEN doesn't give me any real benefits. They threat you the same way as a normal economy guest when flying eco. One does hardly get upgrades (if at all). Why shall we obtain a status just to have a golden plastic card that gives you lounge access? Even though I am making around 80k miles this year, I may not do MRs for the missing miles. It's just not worth. I think I might buy the priority pass for the lounges. I was only one single time happy to be allowed to have more than 30 kg baggage in economy.

Any other ideas? Are you all convinced that it is still worth to do MRs in order to obtain/get a (higher) status?

flysurfer Jan 2, 06 1:26 pm

I have read that awards can be transferred to anyone once you have their equivalent of *G status. And to family members with any status.

Edited to add: but transfers only for awards on Asiana flights.

sentom Jan 2, 06 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by Michael Tantini
They threat you the same way as a normal economy guest when flying eco

i have a total different experience, at least longhaul... i was always adressed by name and was told before take off, if i need anything out of the ordinary, i should just tell them... on top of that i always got a exit row in advance... so for me its worth it...

cheers

sentom

skywalkerLAX Jan 2, 06 3:11 pm

Improvement to the wrong direction
 
Well, at least they changed something in their programm. But there are a few parts that wont make actual FQT's happy: I fly enough to earn LH FQT each year but not enough to make SEN. So, when you get FQT now from 35k it's ok on the first view. But I loose the opportunity to take someone else with me to the lounges. I guess it's time to switch completely to UA or AC where I reach Star Alliance Gold after 35k/50k miles and can use LH lounges with 2 persons.

A better solution would be to seperate the Programm like UA in 1 Silver Status membership without lounge access. The only problem is: Their mileage borders are too far away from each other (35k/120k/600k).

I hope I reach soon my 140k for a F North America ticket and then it's time to look for something more attractive.

UA 882 Jan 2, 06 9:15 pm


Originally Posted by Michael Tantini
Keep cool boyz and girlies! UA only wanted to show you some advantages that other FFPs have.

Correct! And while I'm at it - why are we using LH anyway?? I think we should all call our friends in the UK and ask them whether we could use their address to sign up for the BMI mileage program, which - IMHO - is one of the best FQFL Programs out there for individuals that travel in the premium cabins. Except if you travel in SQ F... :(

weero Jan 3, 06 12:31 am

asiana
 
Honourable flysurferr

as you are the role model for inflight style and comfort - the major upside of
Asiana might be their 34" seat pitch in Y. Not that you contemplate doing
this but should you end up there once, I find this a comforting fact.


Originally Posted by sentom
i have a total different experience, at least longhaul... i was always adressed by name and was told before take off, if i need anything out of the ordinary, i should just tell them...

Yes but you are a HON-lite, so they need to act submissively.

tcswede Jan 3, 06 1:24 am


Originally Posted by UA 882
Correct! And while I'm at it - why are we using LH anyway?? :(

Because - despite constantly being reminded by some very frequent posters on this board what idiots we are :eek: - there are some that are quite satisfied with what LH has to offer compared to other carriers.

Cheers

Thomas

Flying Lawyer Jan 3, 06 2:09 am

Thanks, tscwede, I could not agree more!

                And as I said before: I do not use an airline because it has requent flyer program but because it carries me from A to B in a reliable, safe, comfortable and friendly way. You guys all over this world may critizise the FF program, we on the Continent use the airline. And to be honest: If I compare LH to any of these insolvent US Chapter 11 Airlines, I feel like being in paradise, especially on domestic or intra-european flights.

                Cheers and happy new year,

                T.

                paffendorf Jan 3, 06 3:19 am


                Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
                And as I said before: I do not use an airline because it has requent flyer program but because it carries me from A to B in a reliable, safe, comfortable and friendly way. And to be honest: If I compare LH to any of these insolvent US Chapter 11 Airlines, I feel like being in paradise, especially on domestic or intra-european flights.

                Cheers and happy new year,

                T.


                Hi flying lawyer =)
                For the same reasons i avoid to fly LH and i fly SQ! (my work brings me to S.E. Asia) ;)
                Ok, LH is better than some US carriers, BUT PLEASE DON'T TRY TO TELL US IT'S A HIGH-STANDARD or A TOP-NOTCH AIRLINE! IMHO it's a fair carrier.

                Some carriers DEFINETELY BETTER THAN LH:

                SQ - QR - CX - NH - JL - EK - SA - MH - QF - VS - BA - OZ

                And finally, why not judging an airline also for some perks, not strictly connected to the flight experience (meant as only on-board experience), but absolutely valuable like FFP benefits?
                Personally, when i go to buy a car, i consider also some optionals that are not strictly related to safe drive o speed cruise and so on...

                That's obviously my point of view;))
                bye bye
                luke;)

                flysurfer Jan 3, 06 3:34 am

                I agree with Flying Lawyer. And I agree with Pfaffendorf.

                SQ - QR - CX - NH - JL - EK - SA - MH - QF - VS - BA - OZ may be paradise, but they don't fly nonstop on my MUC-LAX commutes - or don't serve that route at all. And most of them don't even have Connexion. So even if somebody gifted me a MUC-xxx-LAX F ticket on one of them, I'd say thank you - but probably pass. Convenience and routing are king for me.

                For Asian routes, or to Australia, New Zealand or South Africa: sure, great, I'll take them. :) As I said before, I'm looking forward to finally try EK in F (380 or 345)

                Raffles Jan 3, 06 3:55 am


                Originally Posted by UA 882
                Correct! And while I'm at it - why are we using LH anyway?? I think we should all call our friends in the UK and ask them whether we could use their address to sign up for the BMI mileage program, which - IMHO - is one of the best FQFL Programs out there for individuals that travel in the premium cabins. Except if you travel in SQ F... :(

                Indeed. BMI has excellent 'cash and miles' redemptions (eg I have just booked Copenhagen-FRA-Hong Kong-FRA-CPH in LH First for 50,000 miles plus GBP470 cash / taxes) and, if its important to you, allows one-way redemption bookings on all *A carriers for half the normal rate instead of LH's 75%.

                HON_Hunter Jan 3, 06 3:57 am


                Originally Posted by flysurfer
                As I said before, I'm looking forward to finally try EK in F (380 or 345)

                Hey flysurfer,

                enjoyed the EK F-Suite on a 345 between SYD and DXB last year ....sweet ....best flying experience I had so far...largest monitor....gigantic VOD-Database...Dom Perignon vintage as much you like :p .....ahhhh to bad they are not with *A.

                cheers
                HON_Hunter

                flysurfer Jan 3, 06 4:02 am


                Originally Posted by HON_Hunter
                enjoyed the EK F-Suite on a 345 between SYD and DXB last year ....sweet ....best flying experience I had so far...largest monitor....gigantic VOD-Database...Dom Perignon vintage as much you like :p

                Gotta....book....NOW...

                totti Jan 3, 06 4:17 am


                Originally Posted by HON_Hunter
                Hey flysurfer,

                enjoyed the EK F-Suite on a 345 between SYD and DXB last year ....sweet ....best flying experience I had so far...largest monitor....gigantic VOD-Database...Dom Perignon vintage as much you like :p .....ahhhh to bad they are not with *A.

                cheers
                HON_Hunter

                sounds like I should give it a try, too @:-)

                Flying Lawyer Jan 3, 06 4:54 am


                Originally Posted by flysurfer
                SQ - QR - CX - NH - JL - EK - SA - MH - QF - VS - BA - OZ may be paradise, but they don't fly nonstop on my MUC-LAX commutes - or don't serve that route at all. And most of them don't even have Connexion. So even if somebody gifted me a MUC-xxx-LAX F ticket on one of them, I'd say thank you - but probably pass. Convenience and routing are king for me.


                Again: I could not agree more. I ask the overall value an airline gives me and the FFP is at the very bottom of my personal evaluation.

                - Network in-Europe and ex-Germany
                - Reliability
                - Seats (in F) on long distance
                - Partner Airlines
                - On board and ground service
                - FFP

                weero Jan 3, 06 6:34 am

                Greetings paffendorf
                While I do agree with your aspect of the post, I do not agree with your
                high opinion on QF.

                Dreadful domestic Y and C experience (just survived - barely - the latter
                to PER) and a random selection of seats on longhaul flights.
                Plane interior is much more immaculate than LH agree but seats and IFE vary
                between divine and stone age. And its FFP is basically nonexistent at
                least after the recent seizure of improvements.
                It might still share the throne with BA for being the safest airline ever but
                they can improve .. a looooooong way.

                Much of our split opinions here come different paradigms:

                Originally Posted by flysurfer
                ..may be paradise, but they don't fly nonstop on my MUC-LAX commutes - or don't serve that route at all...

                Who cares? I never have to go to LA, let alone via MUC.
                Ok, I air a narrow pov as well here. But my cirtique to your or Flying Lawyer's
                view of the world is that LH is an international carrier not a large Germany
                hub to the world.
                And while LH is luring more and more super-cheapo pax from all over the world
                through their gateways, at the same time they preclude them from the
                benefits of the FFP.
                But then the amateur, dirty-under-the-nails status Senator is still avaible
                for all *A flyers or almost all, so we probably have to be thankful :confused: ...

                flysurfer Jan 3, 06 6:55 am


                Originally Posted by weero
                Who cares? I never have to go to LA, let alone via MUC.

                All I care about when choosing an airline are my own travel pattern, my personal tastes, my specific demands and my priorities. And as long as, when it comes to pick an airline, everybody cares about him/herself and makes their decisions accordingly, everybody is taken care of ;) Why should I care what LH is (or should be or might be or may not be) to you or, even worse, to the entire rest of the world? I'm not running the company, and so far, LH hasn't offered me a monetary incentive to think about it.

                I really believe that the problem with many, many threads on FT is the urge to generalize everything into some "one fits everything and everybody every day" consensus. I guess I'm capable of making my own decisions, hence I'm less interested in opinions/rants as I am in getting access to plain facts that I can base my own decisions on. Luckily, FT also provides a lot of useful facts, as well.

                totti Jan 3, 06 7:33 am


                Originally Posted by flysurfer
                All I care about when choosing an airline are my own travel pattern, my personal tastes, my specific demands and my priorities. And as long as, when it comes to pick an airline, everybody cares about him/herself and makes their decisions accordingly, everybody is taken care of ;) Why should I care what LH is (or should be or might be or may not be) to you or, even worse, to the entire rest of the world? I'm not running the company, and so far, LH hasn't offered my a monetary incentive to think about it.

                I totally agree with you. ^ It's a personal decision which airline one chooses. Their is no airline and probably will never be (because that's what capitalism is like), which will benefit all pax or at least make all satisfied.


                Originally Posted by weero
                And while LH is luring more and more super-cheapo pax from all over the world
                through their gateways, at the same time they preclude them from the
                benefits of the FFP.

                What do you expect LH to do? Shall they give all perks to everyone? Than it wouldn't be perks anymore?

                Has you know I think witn it's new "improvements" LHs is on a wrong way, but at least they had to do somethink (e.g. we still complained about the crowded Sen lounges in this thread)

                Volasia Jan 3, 06 7:52 am


                Originally Posted by weero
                Greetings paffendorf
                Plane interior is much more immaculate than LH agree but seats and IFE vary
                between divine and stone age ...

                ...I have to say... have you ever tried LX or SQ.... that is a real IFE... not just like LH's main screen (one for all). When are they going to upgrade their planes?... :mad:

                LonLH Jan 3, 06 8:04 am

                I think there are two seperate issues here- one is which airline to fly (which at least I make on the basis of schedule, comfort and cost) and another one which FFP to credit miles to.
                Of course, FFPs influence the choice of airline to some extent. I never used to fly EK because I could not get miles, even though EK F from Europe is cheaper than C of many European carriers when booked through Amex. And I had flown RG while I could have flown TAM just because RG belongs to *A.
                At the end of the day, since I do not want to spend too much time in the air, it boils down to what gives me overall utility maximisation- which means SQ LHR-SIN, BD LHR-BOM, BA LHR-JFK, CO or AC LON-IAH and SK LHR-OSL/ARN are my carriers of choice in those routes I fly regularly. Since I have one leg still in Europe, I use LH as my long haul carrier to the occasional long haul trips I make (such as LHR-LOS, OSL-IAH or LHR-JNB).
                The FFP of course is a different story- my *A miles mostly go to BD (because I am an LH SEN until 2009, there is no point in putting any more miles there as I get no benefit unless I become HON, SK EB is a joke compared to M/M or DC), my OW miles go to EC and ST miles to CO (which are mostly CO miles anyway).
                And the only instance where I am treated differently because I belong to an FF is with CO domestic where we get upgrades to F when we fly cheap weekend Y trips. In all others, you get what you pay for, and I am not complaining as I am making a conscious choice rather than blindly follow an FFP.

                flysurfer Jan 3, 06 8:45 am


                Originally Posted by Fly-Swiss
                ...I have to say... have you ever tried LX or SQ.... that is a real IFE... not just like LH's main screen (one for all). When are they going to upgrade their planes?... :mad:

                LH has AVOD and wireless Connexion broadband Internet access in C and F, and as we all know, is in the middle of a process to upgrade their entire longhaul fleet to this new IFE. LH's AVOD hat not as many channels and programs as KrisWorld, but the selection is certainly sufficient. There have been numerous reports about system glitches, though, but AFIAK, the situation has improved recently.

                Live TV (like it was just announced by SK) may be in the works as a future system enhancement, because as I understand it, this is basically an upgrade to Connexion. Maybe you refer to that?

                Yes, I have tried SQ in F, but haven't been interested in LX so far, because they weren't offering nonstop flights to any place I needed/wanted to go - and they weren't in *A. At least the latter is about to change, so you never know... :)

                As for LH longhaul Y: It's terrible, we all know it's terrible, we all keep repeating it's terrible, and we keep suggesting to everybody that it's to be avoided. So I'm at a total loss about the existence of posters who keep complaining about it. It's like preaching "Don't put your hand in the open flame" and then: "Mommy, I burned my hand!" :rolleyes:

                Volasia Jan 3, 06 9:17 am

                Well, by posting this, I was hoping somone would say: LH is going to upgrade IFE in Economy Class. But apparently not. I cannot understand how they can sell longhaul tickets with such a bad product. I really prefer connecting somewhere in Europe to get an 8hour flight with IFE (in the case of leisure trips).

                ...whatever mummy said about the fire.... if you don't complain about it, you'll never get someone to extinguish it...

                Anyway, that's not the topic of the thread :)

                Hans Dampf Jan 3, 06 9:18 am


                Originally Posted by totti
                Their is no airline and probably will never be (because that's what capitalism is like), which will benefit all pax or at least make all satisfied.

                Wasn't there Swissair quite a while ago? :D

                flysurfer Jan 3, 06 9:40 am


                Originally Posted by Fly-Swiss
                ...whatever mummy said about the fire.... if you don't complain about it, you'll never get someone to extinguish it...


                LOL! ^

                But it's best to complain to LH and, even more, "complain" by not buying (avoiding) the product.

                totti Jan 3, 06 9:41 am


                Originally Posted by Hans Dampf
                Wasn't there Swissair quite a while ago? :D

                As you mentioned was... So now they have M&M, too or will get soon to be correct. :rolleyes:


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