LH/OS Seating Thread

Old Mar 8, 06, 4:13 am
  #1  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
LH/OS Seating Thread

Since many many questions on the M&M forum relate to seating questions I thought I would post a thread with all the seating info I have collected this winter schedule flying LH & OS. This thread is not meant to remain static so I encourage you all to contribute and Kiwiflyer & I will update the entries. I've left out LX for the time being.

To start the thread off, I have first posted the basic data here. The finer points (fleet details, fleet average age) will be added step by step

Official Seatmaps can be found online here:

LH:http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...nodeid=1770492
OS:http://www.aua.com/at/eng/Austrian/Fleet/
The infamous generic seatgurexperts:
www.seatexpert.com
www.seatguru.com

Seatexpert still has the A310 and B742 LH seatmaps, although both are out of service since atleast 5 years:
So if you are nostalgic, go here:
http://www.seatexpert.com/_LH742.html
http://www.seatexpert.com/_LH310.html

Glossary of terms:

ASR: Advance seat reservation
HFTBY:haven't flown this bird yet, so no personal comments
Seating preference codes
NSST Non-smoking seat
NSSA Non-smoking aisle seat
NSSB Non-smoking bulkhead seat
NSSW Non-smoking window seat
RQST Specific seat + seat number

News:
Some more info can be found in Amadeus GGAIRLHSEAT, a copy of which can be found here

General:

ASR Policy:
Intercont flights: ASR for all classes except SEN priority rows
Europe flights:
LH: only C seating available for ASR
OS: ASR available in european Y on mainline OS

LH started to offer ASR on their website when you book online. Existing reservations of any kind don't offer ASR on the web site if you already booked it somewhere else. If you hold a confirmed reservation, call any LH call center and you can ASR your seat if you fulfill above conditions.
OS has no ASR facility while booking tickets via aua.com. You can however select a seat while checking in online.
Service:

Shorthaul: begins in first row of cabin
OS Longhaul: begins from last row of cabin
LH longhaul: Y & C begins from two points

Seat blocking:

LH blocks seats for elite (SEN/HON) ASR and some seats can't be assigned until 24h before departure so that they can be assigned to UM, INF and disabled pax.

Usually LH tries to block the seat beside a HON, SEN, & *G in any class of service, space and availability permitting. On short haul business class, LH will block the seat beside a passenger sitting in C. This means a SEN/HON usually has a complete 3 seater to him/herself, if seat blocking kicks in.

Short haul seats:

The new seats installed on LH's 32S and 737 aircraft have a tray installed in the middle seat and the middle seat can be narrowed to allow wider aisle and window seats. If you want to convert your seat row in such a way (of course no one should be sitting in the middle seat) lift the headrest cover, locate an oval button, press the oval button. The armrest will fold away and the additional table will appear out of the back rest.

Last edited by oliver2002; Nov 8, 08 at 9:03 am Reason: OS online ASR
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:13 am
  #2  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
How do I know which config is operating for my flight?

LH usually sticks to their planned aircraft, but last minute aircraft changes do happen.

To see what config has been scheduled for your flight you have following options (listed in order of my preference):

1. Book a dummy ticket on the LH.com booking engine. After providing your name and contact details, you will be able to select a seatmap of your flights.

2. Go to a travel site (orbitz.com, expedia.com etc) and pretend you are booking the flight. Wait until you get to the screen where you can choose a seat. That feature will show you the seatmap of the flight. The Amex CTS site is an Amadeus booking engine, which is also the native GDS of LH, so it is the most accurate.

Example:If you want to check if you have a B74 or the 74P config, just look for out if the C class send in row 27 or 25 in the seatmap of your flight. If row 27 is there, your flight will most likely have the 74P layout.

3. Subscribe to expertflyer.com. They have a feature where you can pull up the seatmap of a particular flight from the GDS they are connected to.

4. Get the KVS tool from http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/Tool/
This tool links to the booking websites that offer online seatmap during booking. This will save you a few clicks. If you subscribe to the Platinum edition, you can download the seatmap directly in text format.

5. Get the Amadeus booking code of your reservation if you have already made a booking and look up the seatmap of your flight using www.checkmytrip.com by clicking on the seat number shown there. This will of course only work if you already have a ASR. If not, pick up the phone and call LH as described below.

Purchasing an additional empty seat

LH like other airlines allows you to purchase an additional seat beside you for extra space or to carry oversized cabin baggage. The ticket is booked in the same PNR under the <your last name>/CBBG and no pax related charges are applied.


ASR Rules for SEN/HON to get access to elite/preferred seating

Exceprt of OS' SEN pref seating:

Preferred Seating for Senator-Passengers
A new functionality will be available in Amadeus effective today, 12.10.2004. A few seat rows on all wide-body aircraft (A340, A330, B777 and B763) will be blocked for passengers holding a Senator Card.
The blockings will be implemented in both Y and C compartments. Those seats will be marked with “V” in the Amadeus seat maps.


Bookings of Senator Passengers
If your passenger is holding the SEN status and his/her card number is entered into the PNR as SSR FQTV, just book the desired seat.
E.g. *SSR FQTV YY HK/ LH222015979293149/1
If the letter V is not visible in the seat map as the FQTV data matches the criteria of Senator status.
Book the seat as usual and it will be confirmed immediately (native entry: ST/1A/S2). The adjacent seats may be assigned to passenger(s) accompanying the Senator passenger provided they are booked in the same PNR.

Bookings of Non-Senator Passengers
The V seats cannot be booked for other customers. If you request such a seat for a non-Senator passenger, the seat request will be returned with the advice code UN plus SSR OTHS which shows: SSR OTHS 1A VIEJFK087C15SEP.SEAT NOT AVLB

Implementation Process and Existing Seat Reservations
Passengers holding already a reservation on a seat which becomes a V seat will be reseated by the system.
The reseating process will be started after the data base updates of the master seat maps have been finalized.


Buckel2 notes following in this post:

LH intercontinental: Preferred seats, marked by the letter V in the seat map, can be assigned to Senators and HONs travelling in economy class and to non status passenger booked in the higher economy classes B or Y.
LH continental: Preferred seats can be assigned to Senators or to customers having a first class intercont flight on LH in the same PNR.

OS intercontinental: Some seats in C (eg. 1A&C) can only be assigned by OS staff to SEN/HON.

Preferred seats are not available for Star Gold Members anymore. The Elite seats become available for all when the flight is open for checkin (usually 22-24h before departure). Exit rows and infant seats cannot be requested for phone checkin. See post #288 for details.

Exit rows are available for M&M elites (SEN/HON) Exit row ASR is possible only for SEN/HON.

Last edited by oliver2002; Aug 4, 09 at 2:36 pm Reason: added OS ASR rules, buckel2 comments, ASR online at LH.com, added post #288, added exit row caveat.
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:14 am
  #3  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
LH Boeing 747-400

Discussion on new C in 744 is found here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368046

Since old C in 744 seems to be history, I have edited the configs based on the new C config.


General:
F on top deck row 81-84
Exit rows: 9 32 83

Best seats:
F best seats on exit row 83 ACK, some love any seat in row 82
4D: lone seat in the middle of the A section with 'personal' closet and drinks table
9ACHK: exit row, but light/traffic disturbance from toilets and the galley
32: exit row, no window, fixed armrests
33 AK: extra legspace
43: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests
54-55 BCHJ: more space but gap between window and seat


Avoid:
10-15 E: middle seat
16 DEG: restricted recline, galley noise
31 Toilets
42 Toilets and Galley
56 Toilets

SEN Priority ASR: first 3 rows of Y, row 32, 54-56 BCHJ

Row 9 is NOT available for any ASR, only seat request possible if you find a nifty TA.

Boeing 747-400 Version 16/52/310 (744)
(C seating till Door 2)

C: 1-15
Y: 24-56

Bulkheads: 24 43

Best seats:
24: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests

Boeing 747-400 Version 16/66/274 (B74)
(C seating till Door 2 plus two more rows after the galley)

C: 1-25
Y: 28-56

Bulkheads: 24 28 43

Best seats:

24: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, no baby bassinets!
28: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, extermely good leg space,but fixed armrests

Avoid:
28AK&31AK: no window beside seat, need to lean forward

Boeing 747-400 Version 16/80/234 (74P)
(C seating till Door 3)

C: 1-27
Y: 32-56


Best seats:

Row 1,9,24: you can twist and turn your IFE screen which is stored in the armrest and not mounted on the seatback in front of you

Avoid:

25AK&26AK: no window beside seat, need to lean forward

Last edited by oliver2002; Apr 21, 07 at 8:30 am Reason: added bau31888 comments, curt thread, removed reference to configs with old C
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:14 am
  #4  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Post LH Boeing 747-400

Code:
sm lh F   744                                         

          a  c     h  k                                                        

f 81 up   .  .     .  .   Up 81 f                                              

  82      +  +     +  .      82                                                

  83   e  .  .     .  .  E   83                                                

  84 up   .  .     .  .   Up 84                                                

          a  c     h  k                                                        

                                                     

sm lh  C 744                                         

         a  c     d  e  g     h  k                                             

c  1     +  +                 +  +     1  c                                    

   2     +  +                 +  .     2                                       

   3     +  +                 +  +     3                                       

   4     +  +     +           +  +     4                                       

   9  e  /  /                 /  /  e  9                                       

  10     +  +     /  i  +     u  u     10                                      

  11     +  .     .  +  +     +  +     11                                      

  12     +  .     /  +  .     .  .     12                                      

  14     +  .     .  .  .     .  .     14                                      

  15              .  .  .              15                                      

  24 <   /  i     /  i  .     I  /   > 24                                      

  25 <   /  .     .  .  .     .  .   > 25                                      

  26 <   .  .     .  .  .     .  .   > 26                                      

  27 <   .  .     .  .  .     .  .   > 27                                      

         a  c     d  e  g     h  k                                              

                                                                                

sm lh  y 744                                         

         a  b  c     d  e  f  g     h  j  k                                    

m 32 <e     /  /                    +  /     e> 32 m                           

  33 <   v  v  +                    +  v  +   > 33                             

  34 <   v  v  +     v  v  v  v     +  v  v   > 34                             

  35 <   +  +  +     +  .  .  +     +  .  +   > 35                              

  36 <   /  .  +     /  .  +  +     +  .  +   > 36                             

  37     +  +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +  +     37                             

  38     +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +     38                              

  39     +  .  +     +  +  +  +     +  .  +     39                             

  40     +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  .  +     40                             

  41     v  v  v     v  v  v  v     v  v  v     41                             

  42     +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +     42                             

  43     +  i  +     +  i  +  +     +  +  +     43                             

  44     +  .  +     u  u  u  u     .  .  +     44                             

  45     +  u  u     u  u  +  u     u  u  +     45                             

  46     +  +  +     +  .  .  +     +  .  +     46                             

  47     +  +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +  +     47                             

  48     +  +  +     +  .  +  +     +  .  +     48                             

  49     /  .  +     /  +  +  +     +  +  +     49                             

  50     /  /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /  /     50                             

  51     /  /  /     /  /  /  /     /  /  /     51                             

  52     +  +  +     .  .  +  +     .  +  +     52                             

  53     +  +  +     +  +  +  +     .  .  +     53                             

  54        +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +        54                             

  55        +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +        55                             

  56        .  .     .  .  .  .     .  .        56                             

         a  b  c     d  e  f  g     h  j  k                                     

                                                                               

. Available   <> wing     f gen faci   k galley   e exit    c cot              

+ occupied    - last off  h handicap   q quiet    g groups  p pet              

/ restricted  b bulkhead  v pref.seat  x blocked  l toilet  u umnr              

() smoking    d deportee  up up-deck   z no film  i infant  r rear

Last edited by oliver2002; Nov 8, 08 at 1:28 pm
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:15 am
  #5  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Lh A 340-600

General comment from curt:
There is only one A346 config at the moment. All 10 planes are configured 66C/279Y. With the delivery of the additional A346, LH will introduce F on some of these birds. Those will be configured 8F/60C/238Y.

Airbus A340-600 Version 54/315 (346)

(C seating till Door 2)
HFTBY!


Airbus A340-600 Version 66/279 (346)
(C seating till Door 2 plus 2 rows)
HFTBY!

whiskey_sk comments about the C section:
My personal preference is 11K. That cabin is really small, almost like a private jet with only 12 pax. Out of the 3 times in 11K 3 times 11G was empty, as people probably dislike this cabin because of Y pax passing through during boarding and the fact that you're the last one for service in C and some menu options might be gone by the time the cart get comes to you.
During the flight the 10/11 cabin is very quiet, I did not notice extra cart traffic towards the Y cabin like mentioned for 34V in post #5.
Smilingboy comments about the Y section:
The only exit row seats are 26AC and 26HK. This is an overwing exit. Lots of legroom, but not unlimited like some exit rows in some aircrafts (meaning if you stretch out your legs you will easily touch the seat in front of you). Fixed armrests, so slightly narrower feel than normal seats. There is no real window. Only if you stretch way forward can you look out of a very small, round window.

It is possible that the middle seats 25DEFG and 26DEFG (I hope I have the row numbers exactly right) have slightly more space as well. There are markings on the floor directing people through these rows in an emergency. But if there is more space, it is only one inch or so more than in the other rows.

Otherwise, I liked the downstairs washrooms - seems much more spacious than normal washrooms. You also have a drinking water tap there.
Airbus A340-600 Version 72/263 (346)
(C seating till Door 2 plus 3 rows)
HFTBY!

Last edited by oliver2002; Sep 9, 07 at 6:29 pm Reason: added whiskey_sk PM notes; added smiling boy comments
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:15 am
  #6  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Lh A 340-600

3 Class 34D:
Code:
SM LH  0726  * 09NOV MUCPVG        346                                         

        A     D  G     K                                                       

F  1    +     .  .     +   1  F                                                 

   2    +     +  -     +   2                                                   

        A     D  G     K                                                       

                                                                               

         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                

C  3     +  +     +  +     +  +    3  C                                        

   4     +  +     +  +     +  +    4                                           

   5     +  +     +  +     +  +    5                                           

   6     +  +     +  +     +  +    6                                           

   7     +  +     H  H     +  +    7                                           

   8     +  +     +  -     +  +    8                                           

  10 <   C  +     -  +     .  C  > 10                                          

  11 <   +  +     +  +     +  +  > 11                                          
  14 <   +  +     +  +     +  +  > 14                                          

         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 

                                                                               

         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                          

M 26 <E  -  +     +  -     +     +  -  E> 26 M                                  

  27 <   Q  +     +  -  Q  Q     +  -   > 27                                   

  28 <   Q  Q     Q  Q  Q  Q     Q  Q   > 28                                   

  29 <   .  .     .  .  .  .     .  .   > 29                                    

  30 <   +  +     +  .  +  +     +  +   > 30                                   

  31 <   +  +     .  .  +  +     +  +   > 31                                   

  32 <   +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +   > 32                                    

  33 <   +  +     +  .  -  +     +  +   > 33                                   

  34 <   .  +     +  .  .  .     +  .   > 34                                   

  35     +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +     35                                   

  36     /  +     +  /  /  +     +  +     36                                   

  37     +  +     +  /  /  /     +  /     37                                   

  38     +  +     +  .  .  .     +  +     38                                   

  39     .  +     +  .           +  -     39                                   

  40     .  +     .  .           +  +     40                                   

  41     .  +                    +  .     41                                   

  43              C  +  .  C              43                                   

  44     C  +     +  .  .  .     +  C     44                                   

  45     +  .     .  .  .  .     +  +     45                                   

  46     .  +     +  .  .  .     +  +     46                                   

  47     .  +     .  .  .  .     +  +     47                                   

  48     .  +     .  .  .  .     .  .     48                                   

  49     .  +     .  .  .  +     +  +     49                                   

  50     +  +     +  /  /  /     +  +     50                                    

  51     /  /     /  /  /  /     +  /     51                                   

  52     .  .     .  .  .  .     .  .     52                                   

  53     /  /     .  .  .  .     .  .     53                                    

  54     /  +     /  .     .     .  .     54                                   

  55     /  /     U  U     H     .  .     55                                   

  56     /  /     U  U     H     U  U     56                                   

  54     /  +     /  .     .     .  .     54                                   

  55     /  /     U  U     H     .  .     55                                   

  56     /  /     U  U     H     U  U     56                                   

  57     /  /     +  .     H     U  U     57                                   

  58     /  /     .  .     .     .  .     58                                   

         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K
2 Class 346
Code:
         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                

C  1     C  +     +  +     +  C    1  C                                        

   2     +  +     +  +     +  +    2                                           

   3     +  +     +  +     +  +    3                                           

   4     +  +     +  +     +  +    4                                           

   5     +  +     +  +     +  +    5                                           

   6     +  +     +  +     +  +    6                                           

   7     +  +     +  +     +  +    7                                           

   8     +  +     +  +     +  +    8                                           

   9     +  +     +  +     +  +    9                                           

  10     C  +     C  +     +  C    10                                           

  11 <   +  +     +  +     +  +  > 11                                          

         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                

M 20 <   +  +                    +  +   > 20 M                                 

  21 <   X  X     +  +     +     +  +   > 21                                   

  22 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 22                                   

  23 <   +  +     +  .  +  +     +  +   > 23                                   

  24 <   +  +     +  .  +  +     +  +   > 24                                   

  25 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 25                                   

  26 <E  +  X     +  +  -  +     -  +  E> 26                                    

  27 <   +  +     +  Q  Q  +     +  +   > 27                                   

  28 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 28                                   

  29 <   +  Q     +  Q  Q  Q     +  +   > 29                                    

  30 <   +  +     .  +  .  +     +  +   > 30                                   

  31 <   +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +   > 31                                   

  32 <   +  +     +  +  .  +     +  +   > 32                                    

  33 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 33                                   

  34 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 34                                   

  35     +  -     .  .  .  .     +  +     35                                   

  36     +  /     /  /  /  +     +  +     36                                   


  37     +  .     .  .  .  .     +  +     37                                   

  38     +  +     .  .  +  +     +  +     38                                   

  39     +  +     +  +           +  +     39                                   

  40     +  +     -  -           -  +     40                                   

  41     -  -                    -  -     41                                   

  43              +  +  +  +              43                                   

  44     C  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     44                                   

  45     +  +     +  +  .  +     +  +     45                                   

  46     +  +     .  .  .  .     +  +     46                                   

  47     +  .     .  .  .  .     .  +     47                                   

  48     +  .     .  .  .  .     .  +     48                                   

  49     +  +     .  .  .  .     +  +     49                                   

  50     +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +     50                                    

  51     +  +     .  .  .  .     +  +     51                                   

  52     +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +     52                                   

  53     +  /     .  .  .  .     .  +     53                                   

  54     +  /     +  +     +     .  +     54                                   

  52     +  +     .  .  .  .     .  +     52                                   

  53     +  /     .  .  .  .     .  +     53                                   

  54     +  /     +  +     +     .  +     54                                   

  55     +  /     U  U     H     U  U     55                                   

  56     +  /     U  U     H     U  U     56                                   

  57     +  +     .  .     H     +  +     57                                   

  58     .  .                    .  .     58                                   

         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K

Last edited by oliver2002; Nov 8, 08 at 1:57 pm
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:15 am
  #7  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Lh A 340-300

Curt has written up a summary of all 343 configs here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3352577

34P is the most common config of 343 and is common to the 333s in layout (the 333s have new(er) seats in Y and different lavs)


Airbus A340-300 Version 8/42/197 (343)

no details yet

Airbus A340-300 Version 8/54/173 (343)
HFTBY!

Airbus A340-300 Version 8/48/165 (34P)
F: 1-2
C: 3-16 (new C)
Y: 24-45

Exit row: 30
Bulkheads: 10 24 29

Best seats:
10: spacious feel, IFE monitors fold into arm rest
24 AC DEG HK: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests, large LCD screens (17+") in front of you
25 DG: lots of legspace as row infront is only a three seater, no support under 25DEG

30 AC HK: exit row
41 DG: more legspace as config changes from 2-4-2 to 2-3-2


Avoid:
3: seats go into a cubby hole when in the lie flat position. If the alignment is not proper, the seats keep retracting
12 AK: only two windows
16 CDGH: cabin curtain, permanent traffic as Y drink cart is stored in front galley
17-40 EF: Fixed armrests between E&F in the 4 seaters, DEFG in row 16-40 supported in the middle restricting legspace
29 DEFG: Babies! Only bassinet point
27: toilet traffic
45: as in 27 plus galley


Airbus A340-300 Version 44/222 (34V)

F: none
C: 1-11 (new C)
Y: 15-45

Exit row: 30
Bulkheads: 15 29

Best seats:
10: spacious feel
15 AC DEG HK: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests, large LCD screens (17+") in front of you
16 DG: lots of legspace as row infront is only a three seater, no support under 15DEG

30 AC HK: exit row
41 DG: more legspace as config changes from 2-4-2 to 2-3-2


Avoid:
11 CDGH: cabin curtain, permanent traffic as Y drink cart is stored in front galley
17-40 EF: Fixed armrests between E&F in the 4 seaters, DEFG in row 16-40 supported in the middle restricting legspace
29 DEFG: Babies! Only bassinet point
27: toilet traffic
45: as in 27 plus galley


Airbus A340-300 Version 44/234 (34Z)

The ex-SN aircraft. These were leased to cover the gap till all 333 and 346 are delivered. This type will be out of service after August 2006 when the aircraft will go to Air Namibia.

Last edited by oliver2002; Apr 21, 07 at 8:32 am
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:16 am
  #8  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Lh A 330/340 standard 3 class config

standard 3 class 330/340 8/48/165 FCM config

Code:
SM LH    F   333                                         

        A     D  G     K                                                       

F  1    +     .  .     C   1  F                                                

   2    .     .  .     .   2                                                   

        A     D  G     K                                                       

                                                                               

         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                 

C  3     +  +     +  +     +  +    3  C                                        

   4     +  +     +  +     +  .    4                                           

  10     -  +     +  +     .  C    10                                           

  11 <   +  +     +  +     +  +  > 11                                          

  12 <   +  +     H  H     +  +  > 12                                          

  14 <   +  +     +  +     +  +  > 14                                          

  15 <   +  +     +  +     +  .  > 15                                          

  16 <   +  +     .  .     +  +  > 16                                          

         A  C     D  G     H  K                                                

                                                                               

         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                          

M 24 <   +  +     +  Q     Q     Q  +   > 24 M                                 

  25 <   Q  +     +  Q  Q  Q     +  +   > 25                                   

  26 <   +  +     +  Q  Q  Q     +  +   > 26                                   

  27 <   +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +   > 27                                   

  29              +  +  +  +              29                                   

  30  E  -  +     +  .  +  +     Q  Q  E  30                                   

  31     +  +     +  .  +  +     +  +     31                                    

  32     +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +     32                                   

  33     +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +     33                                   

  34     +  +     +  .  .  H     +  +     34                                    

  35     +  +     +  +  +  +     +  +     35                                   

  36     +  +     +  -  +  +     +  +     36                                   

  37     +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +     37                                    

  38     +  +     +  /  /  +     +  +     38                                   

  39     +  +     +  -  .  +     +  +     39                                   

  40     +  +     +  .  .  +     +  +     40                                   

  41     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     41                                   

  42     +  +     +  .     +     +  +     42                                   

  43     +  +     +  +     +     +  +     43                                   

  44     +  +     U  U     U     U  U     44                                   

  45     +  +     +  +     +     -  -     45                                   

  46     +  +     +  +     +     -  +     46                                   

         A  C     D  E  F  G     H  K                                          

                                                                                

. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT              

+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET              

/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR              

() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR

Last edited by oliver2002; Nov 8, 08 at 2:01 pm
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:16 am
  #9  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Lh A 330

Airbus A330-300 Version 8/48/165 (333)

F: 1-2
C: 3-16 (new C)
Y: 24-46
Crew rest: 45&46 HK

New LH design: no more wavy walls 'wellblech' design but all blue and silver. No more boring brown toilets, now all blue with plenty of LED lights and mirrors everywhere. Finally a window in the toilet like SK! No changing table for babies in the 333 C toilet.

Exit row: 30
Bulkheads: 3,10, 24

Best seats:
2: the better F row, 2A & K are ideal F seats for single pax
3: first row C, first to be served meal 3DG have IFE screen in the armrest and not mounted in front of you
10: spacious feel, you can twist and turn your IFE screen which is stored in the armrest and not mounted on the seatback in front of you
24 AC DEG HK: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests, large LCD screens (17+") in front of you
25 DG: lots of legspace as row infront is only a three seater, no support under 24DEG

30 AC HK: exit row, but smaller windows
41 DG: more legspace as config changes from 2-4-2 to 2-3-2


Avoid:
12AK: one window missing
15 CDGH: cabin curtain, permanent traffic as Y drink cart is stored in front galley
25-40 EF: Fixed armrests between E&F in the 4 seaters, DEFG in row 16-40 supported in the middle restricting legspace
29 DEFG: Babies! Only bassinet point
27: toilet traffic
45: as in 27 plus galley



Airbus A330-300 Version 48/182 (33Z)
Airbus A330-300 Version 42/187 (33Z)

The ex-SN aircraft. These were leased to cover the gap till all 333 and 346 are delivered. As this type will be out of service after the summer schedule, I have not added any comments.
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:17 am
  #10  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Lh A 300

For a summary of the status of all A300 see this post by amsflyboy

Airbus A300-600 (AB6)

These have recently been refitted with the 'old' business seat without the leg rest ^

C:1-5, 15-20
Y: 22-46

Exit row:34
Bulkhead: 15

Best seats:
Row 1,15,22,34, 22D&G

Avoid:
Row 5,32,33,45 ACHK: no/limited recline



Only one aircraft (D-AIAY) remains in the old AB6 config:

The seats in this aircraft are all the same with the EF 'middle' seats blocked in the C cabin. Row 1-6 are always C, but if demand is higher, a movable divider curtain is installed in row 16-24 to partition off an additional C cabin.

C:1-6-xx
Y: usually 15-45

Exit row:34
Bulkhead: 15

Best seats:
Row 1,15,34

Avoid:
Row 6,32,33,45: no/limited recline

A300-605R (ABA)

D-AIAP,AIAN,AIAR,AIAS have been fitted with the 'old' C seats for use in medium haul destinations. In winter 2008 these are/were running on the FRA-ALA/TSE, ADD/KRT, LHE/KHI runs. It has been reported that they do SVO and LHR runs once in a while.

curt adds:
Some A300-605R have been reconfigured with old IC C/Cl. Those planes are mostly used for flights to CAI, GYD, ALA but also appear on one FRA-LHR pair (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=654023).

Config is 54C/163Y.

Last edited by oliver2002; Jan 8, 09 at 5:39 pm Reason: added amsflyboy, totti's & curt's remarks, updated Aircraft regs and destinations
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:17 am
  #11  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
LH A 320 series (32S)

Airbus A321 (321)

C/Y: 1-35

Exit row: 24
Bulkhead: 11

ASR: 1-3

Best Seats:

1 AC DF: extra legspace
11 DEF: extra legspace
24 Exit row, but no window!

Avoid:

8DEF: no recline, no window
11 ABC: toilet noises
23: no recline
35: limited recline, toilets


Airbus A320-200 (320)


C/Y: 1-27

Exit row: 10 & 11 (new seats), 9 & 10 (old seats)

ASR: 1-3

Best seats:
1 extra legspace, but CD stick out and legs may get hit during service and boarding
Exit rows: but note that first exit row has no recline, and the window seats no armrest on the window side

Avoid:
8/9/10: no recline
27: no recline/ toilet noise/traffic


Airbus A319 (319)

C/Y: 1-23

Exit row: 9

ASR: 1-3

Best seats:
1 extra legspace, but CD stick out and legs may get hit during service and boarding
9 extra legspace, 9A & 9F have no armrests

Avoid:
8: no recline
23: limted recline


PrivatAir Executive Jet A319 (319)


HFTBY: see this trip report for details:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...00&postcount=8

See the PrivatAir brochure for details of the seats:
http://www.privatair.ch/_library/bro...ne_Service.pdf

Last edited by oliver2002; Jan 12, 07 at 2:40 pm
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:18 am
  #12  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
LH Boeing 737 series

Boeing B737-300 (733)

C/Y: 1-24

Exit row: 10&11

Best seats:

2 D: extra legspace, but maybe hit due to boarding/trolley traffic
10ACDF: exit row, limited recline. Note that 10A and 10F are behind 9B and 9E, so no direct access to the window.
11: exit row, 11AF extra legspace due to missing seats in front.

Avoid:
7AF: no window

Boeing B737-500 (735)

C/Y: 1-21

Exit row: 9

Best seats:
2 D: extra legspace, but maybe hit due to boarding/trolley traffic
9: exit row

Avoid:
5AF: no window
8: no recline

PrivatAir Executive Jet (Boeing B737-700) (73G, 73W)

HFTBY: They have ex-VS style lie 'flat' cradle seats:
See the PrivatAir brochure for details of the seats:
http://www.privatair.ch/_library/bro...ne_Service.pdf

The BBJ exit row thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=681107

The BBJ EWR-MUC experience threads:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551407
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=523589

Last edited by oliver2002; Jun 10, 09 at 3:00 pm Reason: updated 735 based on bau31888, rorschi observations
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:19 am
  #13  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
LH Regional

Canadair Jet CRJ 900 (CR9)

C/Y: 1-24

Exit row: 15, 16

Best seats:
1 AC & 2 DF: extra kneespace
15 & 16: extra legspace exit row

Avoid:
14: no recline
24: galley and toilets, no recline

Also see Rorschi's comments in post #98


Canadair Jet CRJ 700 (CR7)

C/Y: 1-20

Exit row: 14

Best seats:
1 AC & 2 DF: extra legspace
14: extra legspace, but A F have no armrests and are often chilly

Avoid:
12: no recline
20: galley and toilets


Canadair Jet CRJ 100/200 (CR1)

C/Y: 2-14

Exit row: 8

Best seats:
2: extra leg space
8: extra legspace, but A F have no armrests and are often chilly

Avoid:
7: no recline
14: toilet



AVRO RJ 85 (AR8/146)
C/Y: 1-18

pitch good, but narrow seats. ABC & DEF not exactly aligned

no exit rows

SEN ASR: 1-2 (varies)

Best seats:
1 ABDEF, 2 C Extra legspace
2A more space on the window side
16D: more legspace, but beware of trolley!

Avoid:
6-8: limited overhead storage

De Havilland DH 8-300 (DH 3 Turboprop)

HFTBY on LH
Note that Row 1 faces backwards. Maybe inconvienient for some.



Fokker 50 (F50 Turboprop)


HFTBY


ATR 42

smiling boy adds in post #407
I think I last flew the ATR 42, and there was no exit row. Business class was in the back, and seats 1DF were backwards and facing seats 2DF. You couldn't get 1DF assigned though IIRC. 2AC were terrible bulkhead seats with even less leg space than on the 32S or the 737.

Last edited by oliver2002; Jun 16, 09 at 1:57 pm Reason: fixed CRJ200 as per smilingboy; added ATR 42 & fixed AR8 as per smilingboy, added CR9 as per smilingboy
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:19 am
  #14  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
OS new C guide

OS has launched a new config for their 777 and 767 aircraft which will primarily affect the business class cabin.

Which flight has the new C while the transition is going on:
http://www.aua.com/de/deu/BusinessCl...New+iFrame.htm

How to spot new C by looking at the seat map? (see post#2)

The new C seat maps are here:
http://www.aua.com/de/deu/BusinessCl...tual/cabin.htm

The old C map for the 767 is here:
http://www.aua.com/at/deu/extras/Pop...ap+767-300.htm

So if the seatmap for C shows 4 rows, its old C anything else (5-6 rows) is new C

Last edited by oliver2002; May 15, 07 at 2:28 pm Reason: new c old C seatmap clue
oliver2002 is offline  
Old Mar 8, 06, 4:20 am
  #15  
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 38,799
Os A 330-200, 340-200, 340-300

The two 340-200 owned by OS are now history and were picked up by the french airforce.

The 340-300 will go to LX this year along with one 332. The remaining 332 will go to TP. LX and TP benefit from the commonality they agreed on in the Qualiflyer alliance days.

Sad to see the OS 332 go away in favour of 777 and 763s. For reference I've kept the comments on the Airbus in this post


Airbus A340-200 (342)

C: 1-5
Y: 10-40

These 342s are on sale by OS and should leave the fleet after the summer schedule. The 342 was originally built for range and has less seats than the 343.
IFE in the OS342 is similar to the LH old C planes. C has a few movie channels in rotation/repeat, Y gets to see a set on overhead TVs.

Exit row: 26
Bulkheads: 1,10,26

Best seats:
1: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, easy to get out even front window seat
5: service starts here, so best choice from the 4-5 entrés
10: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests, LCD TV in front of you, which is too bright to view properly as it aims to serve the 4-5 rows behind you

26 AC HK: exit row, but smaller (practically non existing) windows
36 DG: more legspace as config changes from 2-4-2 to 2-3-2


Avoid:
5B: pursers office right behind you
25ABJK: toilets all around
26: DEFG: Babies! Only bassinet point
40: galley traffic


Airbus A340-300 (343)

C: 1-5
Y: 10-44

OS has two 343 in their fleet. OE-LAK's IFE is set up just like the 342s, the OE-LAL IFE is set up to be like the more 'modern' 332s.

Exit row: 28
Bulkheads: 1,10,28

Best seats:
1: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, easy to get out even front window seat
5: service starts here, so best choice from the 4-5 entrés
10: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, but fixed armrests

28 AC HK: exit row, but smaller (practically non existing)windows
40 DG: more legspace as config changes from 2-4-2 to 2-3-2


Avoid:
5B: pursers office right behind you
26AB, 27JK: toilets all around
10&28: DEFG: Babies!
44: galley traffic

Airbus A330-200

C: 1-4
Y: 10-41

The 332s in the fleet are about 5 years old and carry the state of the art IFE of that time (6-8 video channels, games, sms/email etc). Very similar to the LX/SN 332s as they must have been purchased in the qualiflyer era of OS. Plus they have foot rests on all seats except the bulkheads.

Exit row: 27
Bulkheads: 1,10,27

Best seats:
1: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, easy to get out even front window seat
5: service starts here, so best choice from the 4-5 entrés
10: bulkhead with no one reclining into your space, individual IFE screen (practically LH old C) but fixed armrests

27 AC HK: exit row, but smaller (practically non existing) windows
37 DG: more legspace as config changes from 2-4-2 to 2-3-2


Avoid:
25: toilets
10&28: DEFG: Babies!
41: galley traffic

Last edited by oliver2002; Jan 11, 07 at 3:19 pm
oliver2002 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search Engine: