Yes, FRA is to be avoided for so many reasons, sadly connections sometimes make it unavoidable….. it must be so confusing for the occasional F pax, excellent F lounges in ZRH & MUC & at FRA apart from the worst airport experience, the FCL are sub standard :rolleyes:

Wow, that's a change from even just a few weeks ago, when there was plenty of smoked Scottish salmon and seafood salad, and other items that lifted the offering to a level above the SEN lounges.

The hot buffet doesn't bother me so much, as long as the a la carte menu is good a the service reasonably fast. But the lack of quality appetizers to bridge the gap between ordering hot food and actually getting it seems, and I don't use this word much, unacceptable.

Really bothers me as a NUE-based flyer, as ZRH, VIE and MUC no longer get direct service from there. And makes me rethink my plan to shift most of my AF & KL flying back to LHG for a while and go for HON next year. Which would then leave me with the choice between taking the LH bus to MUC to get decent F ground services (but no QPs for the bus with a LH flight number, not even on a J or F ticket) and flying via FRA and "enjoying" the FCLs there. Essentially facing the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea as a HON benefit :(

Likewise makes me wonder, after some years of SEN, whether it’s worth going for HON in the next few years.

It seems like a good plan, but not so much anymore. Would have qualified for HON in 25, enjoyed the status in 26 and another year of automatic SEN (due to the soft landing, IIRC) in 27. Just don't know if I want to fully commit myself to LHG or enjoy life and fly whatever airlines gets me to my destination best, maintaining SEN and ST-gold.

as a NUE based HON, I can tell you… I am not going out of my way to renew anymore. I don’t take the bus to MUC because that’s a joke… on my last vacation the award guarantee wasn’t honored because it involved 4Y… had to drive to FRA multiple times because of cancelled flights or no proper flights to begin with or stupid fare rules… so. Yeah… oh, and my HON bags consistently come out last.

That's really sad to hear. Maybe I waited too long for a worthwhile shot at HON, but my destinations required me to also keep the STeam Elite Plus current, in order to get sky priority treatment on AF, KL and other SkyTeam flights, including lounge access at NUE. In addition to all of the issues already mentioned, it is really annoying that I now have to pay for the lounge at NUE for my kids as SEN (and would have to even as a HON), since it was converted from a LH-lounge into an airport-run lounge. It's probably not more than a couple of hundred Euros a year, but still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I will have to make up my mind soon, whether I makes sense to shift most of my business to AF/KL (as they offer regular flights to their AMS and CDG hubs from NUE) and maybe go for AF LT Plat instead. Just find AF F too expensive and limited in reach in many cases.

This is also my experience from the last few times I was in the FCL B. Lounge almost empty but the staff mainly on their phones, definitely not proactive, and they did not know anything about the wines they had on the menu etc.
In less than 2 weeks I have a flight leaving from the B gates to LOS/SSG and normally that would be the lounge of choice but I am seriously considering the FCT even though I am connecting from ZRH.

Yes, i am certainly in no hurry to revisit FCLB, i don't mind the walk to FCT & now have more incentive for that

I wasn't aware of the situation in NUE but I totally agree with you! Would be equally annoyed.

I rarely check in bags but when I do in most cases they come out among the first ones.

Whenever I talk to other fellow HON members whether they consider the program "worth it" anymore they answer "hast du Lack gesoffen?"... unfortunately not many better alternatives out there for ZRH based members.

It's a pity, as the FCL B is spacious and has the best view of all F-lounges at FRA. I used to go there all the time, as I preferred it to the FCT when connecting.

The walk to the FCT is not terrible, at least when it's not pouring, but connecting F pax shouldn't be forced to go out of the secure area just to get a half decent F ground experience.

I should have taken some photos of the Buffet at FCLB, one frame would encompass all :D for Wine top ups i had to help myself, the bottles were where the Desert section used to be…..

The "like" here means that I like that you replied, not the description of the state of affairs at the FCL B.

Really saddening that the airport I have to go through most has the worst lounge product in the LH universe now. Adding to the overall mediocre experience on the ground at FRA.

same on rarely checking them - but sometimes there is no choice

at some airports it works great.

but the airports I mostly have checked bags at (NUE, SFO, MLE) keep disappointing